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Just curious what you guys would say:

If a Monstrous Creature assaults a unit of warriors that contain a overlord and a lord that both have mindshackle scarabs - does he:

1 - Need to make two leadership tests
2 - If he fails both, does he deal 1d3 hits to himself twice (so potentially 2d3) or after he fails the first one, the 2nd one is nullified?

MY opinion is:

1 - yes 2 leadership tests as its 2 separate pieces of wargear
2 - He could potentially deal 2d3 wounds due to it again being separate wargear from separate models. No different than the psychotroke grenades the GK's have.

Thanks in advance guys!

1 - Yes 2 LDR checks
2 - 1d3. Once he fails the leadership test he only gets one init step that he can lose to hit himself in the face.

rigeld2 wrote:1 - Yes 2 LDR checks
2 - 1d3. Once he fails the leadership test he only gets one init step that he can lose to hit himself in the face.

Interesting, even if it's randomly rolled? Lets say 8 berzerkers attack with Kharn, and overlord gets his mindshackle off on kharn , and then the lord rolls 1-2 for a berzerker, 2-3 for kharn, 4-5 for another berzerker and gets a 2 and rolls for Kharn - is his mindshackle negated then since Kharn is already mindshackled?

Since the mindshackles work like grenades, and vs GK's, are you only subject to 1 Psychotroke grenade then?

Cryage wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:1 - Yes 2 LDR checks
2 - 1d3. Once he fails the leadership test he only gets one init step that he can lose to hit himself in the face.

Interesting, even if it's randomly rolled? Lets say 8 berzerkers attack with Kharn, and overlord gets his mindshackle off on kharn , and then the lord rolls 1-2 for a berzerker, 2-3 for kharn, 4-5 for another berzerker and gets a 2 and rolls for Kharn - is his mindshackle negated then since Kharn is already mindshackled?

I'd say yes.

Since the mindshackles work like grenades, and vs GK's, are you only subject to 1 Psychotroke grenade then?

I don't have the GK codex to form an opinion on this.

A particularly generous opponent might let you roll d3 twice and suffer the higher of the two. The d3 hits vs self/unit replace that model's normal attacks. You can replace something more than once, but only the last thing you replaced it with will resolve.

As far as the multiple leadership tests, it seems consistent with other leadership/morale/pining tests to require them. I don't think that failing one should pass the 2nd onto a different model.

foolishmortal wrote:A particularly generous opponent might let you roll d3 twice and suffer the higher of the two. The d3 hits vs self/unit replace that model's normal attacks. You can replace something more than once, but only the last thing you replaced it with will resolve.

As far as the multiple leadership tests, it seems consistent with other leadership/morale/pining tests to require them. I don't think that failing one should pass the 2nd onto a different model.

Nor should it (pass the hit to another model). Guess the benefit would be if kharn passed the first one he'd have to pass a second one. Makes sense that you are replacing that units attacks for that round though.

Cheers!

For psychotroke grenades to affect a unit more than once, they would have to come from different units assaulting. Unless there's a FAQ concerning this I'm not aware of.

Q: Is a unit that assaults, or is assaulted by, multiple
units with rad or psychotroke grenades subjected to
the effects multiple times? (p60-61)
A: No.


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