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So, here is the list, BTW, Yarrik runs with the CCS.


Commissar Yarrik = 185

CCS: Straken, Nork Deddog, Medi-Pack, 2 Flamers, Regimental Sandard, Chimera with ML/HHF = 365

Pysker Battle Squad: 4 Additional Pyskers, Chimera = 155

Ratling Squad: 3 Additional Ratlings = 60

Storm Trooper Squad: 3 Additional Storm Troopers, 2 Plasmas = 175

Veteran Squad: 3 Meltas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 155

Veteran Squad: 3 Meltas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 155

Veteran Squad: 3 Meltas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 155

Veteran Squad: 3 Meltas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 155

Veteran Squad: 3 Meltas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 155

Leman Russ Battle Tank = 150

Medusa = 135


So, I ended up playing with this list yesterday, and it functioned really well, I played against Grey Knights. I lost by one KP, as a fluke, because I forgot my Storm Troopers entirely, and made a really bad decision just for the fun of it (I attacked a squad of 6 Terminators all with Hammers and Halberds and stuff, along with a decked out Grand Master with my CCS).

Other than that, the list did really well, the Psyker-Ratling combo worked amazingly well, I used it against his Dread Knight, and pinned it for a few turns, and killed it before it could do any real damage (it killed a mere 2 guardsmen haha). The Medusa and LRBT did next to nothing, the only one that even killed something was the LRBT, and that was with it's Heavy Bolter. The Vets did well (as usual), Melting everything that came near them (Mostly Terminators).

I realized that the list lacks Anti-Light Vehicle, I was unable to kill his Storm Raven, but I at least took it out of the game essentially, by Crew Stunning it for 3 turns in a row with the Multi-Laser from one Chimera (I don't think I've ever been that lucky).


So I was thinking maybe take out the Medusa, and replace it with a Hydra (or two) or maybe another LRBT. Any suggestions? Thanks again in advance.


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This is an attempt to "fix" the list.


Commissar Yarrik = 185

CCS: Straken, Nork Deddog, Medi-Pack, Flamer, Chimera with ML/HHF = 345

Pysker Battle Squad: 4 Additional Pyskers, Chimera = 155

Ratling Squad: 3 Additional Ratlings = 60

Storm Trooper Squad: 3 Additional Storm Troopers, 2 Plasmas = 175

Veteran Squad: 3 Meltas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 155

Veteran Squad: 3 Meltas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 155

Veteran Squad: 3 Meltas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 155

Veteran Squad: 3 Meltas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 155

Veteran Squad: 3 Meltas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 155

Leman Russ Executioner: Plasma Side Sponsons = 230

Hydra Flak Tank = 75

Curious as to what roll the Storm Troopers play.
Also, how did Nork and Yerrick do for you, these are 2 of the 3 characters I've never given a second thought about using, along with Kamir.

That squad.. is one of the toughest squad I have ever played with, /especially/ for IG, and I usually run Nob heavy Orks. They were awesome. They functioned really well as a CC unti that can easily bully around normal units, and they also easily finished off a Nemisis Dread Knight. Plus they absorbed so much firepower it's ridiculous.

The Storm Troopers play the roll of Anti-Heavy Infantry, and Anti-MEQ if needed. I completely forgot to use them though, so I'm not sure how well they work with this army, or with the role I'd use them in.

Seems like an incredible amount of points to invest for a squad. At 530 points its over 1/4th of your entire army's point value. I'm sure you realized this, but damn that seems like a bit much.If they have the staying power and hit as hard as you say I'll have to field them sometime against a buddy of mine who rushes harlequins, Incubi, and wyches at my line regularly. The look on his face will be priceless when he realizes they aren't going anywhere but through his minis.
I love the Karskin models, and the idea of storm troopers. Highly trained soldiers with the best(Hah!) gear around, raised from an early age to be the most elite soldiers the guard has to offer. Kind of like some Sci-Fi Spartan Spec-Ops Badasses running around committing Badassery. Sounds good on paper, but sadly, it wasn't translated well onto the tabletop. I've never had any luck with them. Only reason I would used them would be to deep strike Meltas into range of tough armor. Seeing as your loaded up with Melta-vets it's unnecessary IMO. Never had the opportunity to run a fully mechanized list this size ( I need more Chimeras ) so my advise might not be the best around.

Some thoughts about a potentially better investment of your points spent on the Storm Troopers:
A Techpriest could possible be of some benefit to you. Dropping the Storm troopers for a Valkyrie w/ MRPs or a Vendetta and a techpriest for the same cost, or vanilla valk and 2 servitors for the Techpriest might be interesting. have a vet squad in the Valk/Vendetta for greater mobility and have the Techpriest ride in the Chimera. I should mention I've Never Used the Techpriest. You could also take a Demolisher and an extra ratling for the same price. Or 2 armored Sentinels and 2 Extra ratlings and another flamer for CCS. Or you could add a Plasma Vet squad + Chimera and a Flamer on the CCS. Or 2 more Hydras and a Regimental Standard or upgrade one Melta vet squad to plasma, and you still have a a few points left.
There are a lot of other options to explore for the points spent on the overpriced 'Glory Boys'.

The List looks Great, LOTS of Melta! But I just reeeaally don't like Storm Troopers.
Anyway, you should Test them out to see if they work for you before you listen to a word of this. It's late and I've been rambling so I'll leave it at that.
just my 2 cents

Warboss Zarruk wrote:That squad.. is one of the toughest squad I have ever played with, /especially/ for IG, and I usually run Nob heavy Orks. They were awesome.

You never ran a 10 man unit of Ogryns with Yarrick then.

Firstly how did pin the dreadknight when his Ld 10

Another thing is that his storm raven can pass a Ld to ignore crew shaken and stunned results.

I personally think, maybe you can drop the storm troopers and take vets instead.

Or if not just get a manticore with the points and the beetle tank and madusar should be replaced by manticores too.

Then have a tech priest to fix their guns or something lol

Warboss Zarruk wrote:

Commissar Yarrik = 185

CCS: Straken, Nork Deddog, Medi-Pack, Flamer, Chimera with ML/HHF = 345

Pysker Battle Squad: 4 Additional Pyskers, Chimera = 155

Ratling Squad: 3 Additional Ratlings = 60

Storm Trooper Squad: 3 Additional Storm Troopers, 2 Plasmas = 175

Veteran Squad: 3 Meltas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 155

Veteran Squad: 3 Meltas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 155

Veteran Squad: 3 Meltas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 155

Veteran Squad: 3 Meltas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 155

Veteran Squad: 3 Meltas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 155

Leman Russ Executioner: Plasma Side Sponsons = 230

Hydra Flak Tank = 75

Where is the deathstar in this list?

The PBS is alright.

Ratlings are ok as a point filler, wouldn't say they are super awesome.

Not sure what the Storm Troopers are doing here. All I can see is they will deep strike and unleash a hail of plasma. That's ok if you're against monstrous creatures a lot, though weight of averages says you won't kill a monstrous creature unless it is already wounded. I would drop these and get another Hydra for a start.

The Vets are all fine.

Executioners are expensive, I think a naked tank without sponsons is enough. I would drop the Storm Troopers as mentioned and get another Hydra. Then with points left over from the Executioner sponsons and Storm Troopers you might be able to pay another Executioner, if not then you will have to ditch the Ratlings and half the crap in the CCS.

Hope that helps

Anthra: Your right about the Storm Troopers, I think I will take them out and replace them with another LRBT.

BlkTom: Your right, I haven't.

Marthike: The PBS lowered his leadership to 2, and then the Ratlings got a couple wounds on him, forcing him to take a Pinning test at LD 2. Needless to say, he failed.
I guess he didn't know about that rule regarding the Storm Raven lol.
I think I will just drop them for a LRBT.

Mercer: The Deathstar is the CCS with Yarrik. If I dropped the Storm Troopers, and the Side Sponsons, I could get another Executioner. Thats a good idea, thanks.

That's not a deathstar dude. There is Nork, 5 dudes from the CCS (inc Strakken) and then Yarrick, who strikes last. Just put all attacks on the CCS (who will lose bodies) and Straken's unit will probably lose combat and take wounds thanks to be been fearless. Deathstar unit are things which can smash everything, these could smash a Tactical Squad and standard units, nothing else.

Well, it is a Deathstar by IG standards.

Congrats on making a list that is not the cookie cutter list that floats on these boards. Never have played a HQ command squad like you have listed. Looks fun though. I do play Yarrick, and, if you surround him with ogryns, he is a wrecking crew. Have fun with your list.

Warboss Zarruk wrote:Well, it is a Deathstar by IG standards.

Yeah, but I.G standards

mercer wrote:

Warboss Zarruk wrote:Well, it is a Deathstar by IG standards.

Yeah, but I.G standards

Aye. Your 400+ point HQ unit hits say Swarmlord and tyrant guard, Lysander and some TH/SS termies, Ghazgull and some Nobs, Wolf Lord on a mount and TWC ... you get the picture.

Queue another lol smiilie

Well it all depends on how you use it, and yes, IG standards are The thing is, I'm not going to be attacking squads that can beat it, because i realize that any other deathstar unit would wreck this squad. I would be using it to take out units such as marine units, or MC's (They killed a Nemesis Dread Knight without any difficulty). Either way, I'm not asking you for the definition of a deathstar unit, I'm asking for advice on how to improve the list.

To improve the list you lose said 'deathstar'. Guard do shooting, not close combat. And yes, you also don't send deathstar units against other deathstar units. You send them against weak things they can easily smash. As for the Dreadknight, meh, doesn't surprise me. Killing a Dreadknight isn't that hard or something to write home about

To give you a example close combat unit, lets say Beastmasters with 3 x beastmasters, 4 x razorwings and 5 x khymerae - this cost a lot less than your deathstar. If the beastmasters charge then the beastmasters will hit 4 times and wound 2 times, khymerae will hit 13 times and wound 9 times - you now have 17 armour saves to take, lets save avaerage is 5+, you will pass armour saves, that's 11 dead before you even strike - of course some attacks maybe allocated to Yarrick and wounds will be allocated to Strakken, but you're looking at probably the entire CCS wiped out and Strakken probably majorly wounded. You then get the razorwings who attack with 24 attacks and they will hit with 16 times and wound 8, which 1-2 will be rending.

The same example can be done with Assault Marines, a unit of 10 of these with a power weapon will have 25 attacks and 4 power weapon attacks. A Priest is more than likely going to be close by so the Marines will be wounding on 2+.

Unfortunately this 'deathstar' cannot even stand up to standard, decent assaulting units. It's only good for killing small troop numbers such as Dark Eldar, Eldar, Tyranids and small Marine squads. I wouldn't bank on it for anything else. I would really stick to shooty, it is what Guard do and is a no brainer

I see how it is not a very good unit to take, nevertheless it is fun as hell to play with.

But, if i were to make the list more competitive, how's this for replacing the 'deathstar'?


CCS: 3 Meltas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 145

Pysker Battle Squad: 4 Additional Pyskers, Chimera = 155

Ratling Squad: 3 Additional Ratlings = 60

Veteran Squad: 3 Meltas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 155

Veteran Squad: 3 Meltas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 155

Veteran Squad: 3 Meltas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 155

Veteran Squad: 3 Meltas, Chimera with ML/HHF = 155

Veteran Squad: 3 Plasmas, Autocannon, Chimera with ML/HHB = 180

Bane Wolf: Smoke Launchers, HB = 140

Bane Wolf: Smoke Launchers, HB = 140

Leman Russ Executioner = 190

Leman Russ Executioner = 190

Manticore: Camo Netting = 190


What'd you guys think of this version?

Yeah, that looks alright more or less mate. I wouldn't take the Bane Wolf though, it is short ranged and probably won't get close before disabled in some shape or form.

I admit that I've never really run the hellhound or variants, but if I did then a mass chimera chassis list would be the way to go as they can get "lost" in the mass of similarly sized tanks. To make them even less of a target then I would also maybe look at hydras instead of LR.

Smoke launchers do appear to be mandatory on the things. T1 sit them behind chimeras for a cover save, T2 move them out and drop smoke, T3 kill things.

Not sure how ratlings work here, maybe Marbo would be better?

Let us know how it goes.

I could easily switch out the Banewolfs for Hellhounds at the same price. They might serve me better, having longer range and whatnot. I will play games with both and see which plays out better.

The Ratlings work well with the PBS, PBS lowers a squad's leadership to 2, and then the Ratlings pin them with snipers.

I have never used a Manticore bofore, but i have heard great things about them. Any tips on how to use them best?

I've been using Manticores for sometime and they are a good bit of kit. You get average 7 shots out of them over the t4 turns. They can bust vehicles easily and cause massive damage to infantry, no feel no pain and can double out T4 multi wound models.