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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/25 18:03:35
Subject: Invulnerable Saves
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I'm a fairly new player. I have a friend that plays Space Wolves and has the wolf riders with the those slowed storm shields. He gets a 3+ invulnerable save and I'm out of ideas on how to try and take the out before they rip me part in CC. I play IG and run plenty of gear that punch throw his armor if I could get through those shields. I was thinking Psykers maybe? I just need a little advice. Thanks for any and all help!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/25 18:08:00
Subject: Invulnerable Saves
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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Welcome to Dakka.
If you play IG just shoot him.
Shoot him a lot.
It might not sound like a lot but weight of fire is the best way to take them out and you have the army with arguably the most firepower around.
What are they armed with?
Power fist/thunder hammer?
Lightning claws?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/25 19:07:08
Subject: Invulnerable Saves
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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More bullets = more dead models.
force him to make saves, even if it is only AP6 and he gets his regular armor save more saves = more failed saves = dead TWC
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/25 19:16:32
Subject: Invulnerable Saves
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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Like said above, your best bet is just overwhelming firepower. More shots you land on him = increasingly likely to fail saves.
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Gods? There are no gods. Merely existences, obstacles to overcome.
"And what if I told you the Wolves tried to bring a Legion to heel once before? What if that Legion sent Russ and his dogs running, too ashamed to write down their defeat in Imperial archives?" - ADB |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/25 19:22:24
Subject: Invulnerable Saves
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Novice Knight Errant Pilot
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The more saves your opponent has to make, the more chances he has to fail them. Pie plates, things that hit multiple models and wound on 2s, sheer volume of lasgun fire, anything to make him roll saves.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/25 19:30:26
Subject: Invulnerable Saves
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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If he doesn't have any power fists or thunder hammers try confronting him with tanks.
Block your infantry with chimeras or leman russes if you have any...
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/25 20:11:57
Subject: Invulnerable Saves
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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FRFSRF. Works everytime.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/25 21:14:18
Subject: Invulnerable Saves
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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PraetorDave wrote:FRFSRF. Works everytime.
Sort of.
Str3 guns only do so much Vs T5 models, but its worth the shots, unless there are better targets in range.
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/25 21:17:54
Subject: Re:Invulnerable Saves
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Concentrating lots of firepower on the Thunderwolves might not always be the best strategy. At times it is more viable to feed a deathstar with cheap and easily disposable pawns while the rest of your army goes and secures the objectives.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/25 21:19:50
Subject: Re:Invulnerable Saves
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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KingDeath wrote:Concentrating lots of firepower on the Thunderwolves might not always be the best strategy. At times it is more viable to feed a deathstar with cheap and easily disposable pawns while the rest of your army goes and secures the objectives.
In some cases maybe the problem with TWC is the multi-assaults they can finagle if the controlling player puts his mind to it...
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/25 21:21:57
Subject: Invulnerable Saves
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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He passes 100% of the saves you don't make him take.
Yeah, I had to butcher the hell out of that quote.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/25 23:49:37
Subject: Invulnerable Saves
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Oberleutnant
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Multilasers are great for the purpose, Autocannons and so on. More shots are better then high S.
Dont neglect the basic lasergun.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/26 00:20:48
Subject: Invulnerable Saves
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Yeah. Don't try to get past the 3+ save - make him fail his 2+ saves.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/26 00:21:52
Subject: Invulnerable Saves
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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They don't have 2+ saves...
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/26 00:27:27
Subject: Invulnerable Saves
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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I would suggest using str10 weaponry against them, as this would ID them and half the number of wounds you need to cause. Manticores and demolishers can do this, although they would need some screening with infantry.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/26 00:31:40
Subject: Invulnerable Saves
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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The problem with most S10 weaponry is that it's blast so they only need to pass 1 save and they're safe until you can fire again.
Though it would stop him playing wound shenanigans if he does do that...
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/26 01:12:46
Subject: Invulnerable Saves
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Milp wrote:I'm a fairly new player. I have a friend that plays Space Wolves and has the wolf riders with the those slowed storm shields. He gets a 3+ invulnerable save and I'm out of ideas on how to try and take the out before they rip me part in CC. I play IG and run plenty of gear that punch throw his armor if I could get through those shields. I was thinking Psykers maybe? I just need a little advice. Thanks for any and all help!!
Meltaguns.....Demolishers....Missile Launchers.....Plasmaguns...Manticores...a crap-ton of lasguns. Focus on them with ID weaponns first, then throw a ton of small-arms fire at them (the same way you deal with TH/ SS termies).
Seriously if he's taking a bunch of Storm Shields on Thunderwolves he's dumping a TON of points into one unit that you can focus-fire to death fairly easily. Feed him sacrificial units to draw him into the open (you want to lose combat so your unit runs away and he's stuck facing a wall of guns) or keep you units mounted up and them moving....you'd probably be able to bait him with a vehicle moving 6+ inches (forcing him to hit on 6s).
Thunder Wolves can be scary to face as a new player, but they aren't OP and can certainly be dealt with.
How does your friend usually run them (how many and what equipment)?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/26 07:06:52
Subject: Invulnerable Saves
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Trickstick wrote:I would suggest using str10 weaponry against them, as this would ID them
This.
Manticores will actually be useful in this case, as he's taking the same value save whether you force it invulnerable or not. Manticores can put out a freightening amount of S10, and every save he fails is a dead wolf. Given that he fails one out of every three you make him take...
... basically the weight of fire argument, except with S10 weapons. Otherwise, weight of fire in general is your best bet.
One way to do that is to take blobs. The commissar will stop them from breaking, while the other 30 dudes will force him to make a bunch of armor saves. The best part is that you're making him take those weight of fire saves twice a turn when you're in close combat. That and blobs are cheap. That and in the worst case, you've still tarpitted his unit for several turns, which is as good as making it dead as far as it wiping out the rest of your army is concerned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/26 07:09:36
Subject: Invulnerable Saves
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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purplefood wrote:They don't have 2+ saves... They do if they have Runic Armor (For the Wolf Lords only, not the Regular TWC)
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/27 01:40:08
Subject: Invulnerable Saves
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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DeathReaper wrote:purplefood wrote:They don't have 2+ saves...
They do if they have Runic Armor (For the Wolf Lords only, not the Regular TWC)
That would be prohibitively expensive and far too easily killed...
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/27 06:31:34
Subject: Invulnerable Saves
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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Not at all the runic armor can deflect anything but the heaviest stuff. and the Storm Shield can save the rest.
Also run the lords with 2 wolves to eat the first two AP1/2 hits on the pack of TWC and you are golden.
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/27 19:13:55
Subject: Re:Invulnerable Saves
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Str10 pieplates will drop TWC pretty quickly.
They also have a weakness for Morale. If they take a test(1 lost model will do it) and they fail they are running 3D6 towards their board edge. They could just run right off the edge.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/28 01:43:43
Subject: Invulnerable Saves
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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DeathReaper wrote:Not at all the runic armor can deflect anything but the heaviest stuff. and the Storm Shield can save the rest.
Also run the lords with 2 wolves to eat the first two AP1/2 hits on the pack of TWC and you are golden.
Yeah but think of the amount of points you'd end up spending on that.
They could be killed airly easily considering the relative differences in points for some things...
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/28 02:29:22
Subject: Invulnerable Saves
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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20 points for runic armor is hardly a big investment.
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/28 13:06:04
Subject: Invulnerable Saves
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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DeathReaper wrote:20 points for runic armor is hardly a big investment.
No but a total of 180 points (and then adding more because you have to make them different in some way) for a Wolf Lord on a Thunder Wolf mount with a Storm Shield is a lot for a 3 wound model that will more or less be charging into the middle of an enemy gunline...
Though they would do a fair amoutn of damage.
The point is moot as the OP never said they were Wolf Lords anyway...
Come tot hink of it. Has the OP said anything?
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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