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Hey guys I don't know where I should put this so if a mod feels it should be somewhere else then feel free to move it Ok so I have some questions.... Does anyone think Lictors are under rated? I've just been playing small kill team games so I wouldn't know. My first game the Lictor was melta'd and died instantly. But this was because I wasn't paying attention to the fact he starts in reserves and had him deployed. Second game was against some Sternguard..... Yeahhhhhhh I got hurt pretty bad, but heck he did more that game! Killed one marine with his rending flesh hooks and then overwhelmed another in CC. But in the long run got ripped up and I lost..... again..... 3rd game was against my sis's DE (the same as game 1) but with a slightly more shooty take on them. This time I deployed the lictor in a building where he could see fine but could barely be seen so we called it a 3+ cover save. I put him here obviously for the save but also for the ability to flesh hook a harlequin with a fusion/melta pistol. He was able to hit and kill. So it appears to me that at least in small games lictors can be used well in hunting down "trouble makers" and killing them. Is this a correct assumption? Also, a lot of people have said, "Oh well palying Tau or Tyranids has its advantages since you can take other players by surprise because few people play those races." I play both and the only surprised reactions I have been getting is, "Dang its like killing orks!" for Tau or "Really its only toughness _______? Awesome!" or "It only has a 5+ save? Awesome" for Nids. I mean I half expected this going into playing these guys, but still. Am I missing something? So far I massacred a DE player in a 1000pt match with Tau and lost a 3 player free for all to Drop pod SM and DE. And with nids I have been playing 200-210 Kill team and lost the first terribly, second I lost but left only 2 huddled up Stern guard and then lost the 3rd by failing morale after I had only 2 Kabalite warriors and I had a lictor and a genestealer almost in assault range. Just trying to see if I have the right impression on these races.

Ben

Tau regardless of what ultra comp players say.... are still damn nasty. Our rules are dated and old.. we have been nerfed into little blue guys who run away all the time.... Right up to the point of CC contact though we level everything in front of us.

I think you would find if we kept the exact same codex into 6E but with a simple points decrease on par with the rest of the 40k world has had.... we would still be a competitive Army even in its current form. With that said though the current Tau builds are all pretty similar since half our units are crap and no one takes them.... Vespids anyone? Crickets.... thought so....

Tau biggest complaints are horrendous CC even with Kroot.
BS 3 for a shooting army is a joke.
XV8's cap out at 3 per squad.. 4-5 would be nicer =]

Vespids, Stealth Suits, Sky Rays etc... are weak but we have other things that make up for it.... not much though =[

Im not tooting my own horn much here but I rarely lose with my Tau.... But then again im not playing GK's every week like some poor bastards have to put up with...

Benamint wrote:Does anyone think Lictors are under rated?

No. There's significant problems with them. While there's some other stealth units that get the same deployment type and can assault the turn they arrive, Lictors can't. Best bet is deploy them in fortifications to get them a 2+ save until they can move and be useful.

Their primary ability of speeding up reserves is made useless by the fact that it doesn't work when it's not deployed (unlike the 4th edition Lictor, which still wasn't great). Added to that the ability to let other reserves home in on them - but can't guarantee they'll be on the table a full turn before, makes their reserve benefits pointless.

Then they don't get some form of brood telepathy like Genestealers, and are dependant on synapse. Which goes completely against the fluff which has them as vanguard organisms that get sent out probe-droid like to assess biomass levels and defense levels on target worlds. How's it meant to be doing its recon when it's simply falling back to its animalistic instincts?

Added to all of this it's sitting in Elites, competing with Zoanthropes and Hive Guard. At least Venomthropes bring something functionally good to the table to compete with those bad boys.

It's a shame. It's a fantastic idea for a creature, and with a little thought, its rules could have been fixed to make it useful. Fix its reserve bonus to work before it is deployed, let it assault the turn it deploys, give it brood telepathy and move it to fast attack where the slots are less competitive (at best, it's competing against Gargoyles).

I bought 3 lictors off ebay last week just to play them against friends. I'd never field them in a competitive setting but im also crossing my fingers in the next dex whenever that happens.

@Milisim - Yes I personally love my Tau, buuuut when you are running against a tournament drop pod list....... and you are playing with what models you have, its never good. Still fun but they REALLY need to up the BS of Tau. As it was against DE with his boastful Tau killing list, I completely wiped him up. Partly on bad rolling on his part but mainly because I was unloading into all his Raiders and making his units hitch hike or walk. From there I unloaded on them and cleaned them off the board. And yes Vespids don't seem to have too much of a point. But I personally love Stealth Suits but I have only played a little bit and due to my model count.

@-Loki- That is a shame.... I really like the lictor model and the fluff behind them. But that's also because I think Deathleaper's rules could be fun to goof around with. I really like the Tyranids as well. I am naturally drawn to xenos races since the norm is all SPESS MEHRIIIIIIINES so I go for anything but the norm plus you can get them cheaper!

@Cryage - I wanna get at least 1 more lictor so I can make a diorama