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I really wanted to make a Khorne themed army so no plague marines or lash. I don't know why I like armies to be fluffy I just do. Having said that, I also like to try and find a balance between fluffy and competitive as I don't like spending lots of money, time and effort to build an army only to have it owned everytime I put it on the table.
So with that in mind some C&C would be most helpfull


Demon Prince w/Wings/Warptime

6 Beserkers in Rhino
6 Beserkers in Rhino

3 Terminators w/3xCombi-Melta
3 Terminators w/3xCombi-Melta

2 Oblits
1 Oblit
1 Oblit

The one thing that stands out to me more than anythign else is you only have two 6 man troop choices.
I would cut back on and obliterator or two and add more men to the squads you have, or get another unit of khorne beserkers all together

Yea Im definatly light on scoring units. My reasoning is simple, I would only have to buy one box of beserkers (12 in a box)

Its a good start. Eventually add two units of five plague marines in rhinos with 2x plasma or melta and its a viable list. Add a couple lash sorcerers to the berzerkers in place of the demon prince and those squads are a bit more powerful.

Kevlar wrote:Its a good start. Eventually add two units of five plague marines in rhinos with 2x plasma or melta and its a viable list.

Well thanks for the advice, but I dont really want plague marines or lash as stated in my first post. I should change the title to help me create a fluffy khorne list.

What about swapping an oblit for 5 summoned demons? They can objective camp or just be a nuissance maybe. I don't know since I've never played Chaos marines before.

Forget the daemon prince, with the nerf on warptime it is now pretty meh, i'd go with kharn instead and maybe drop 1 oblie and get 3 more zerks to ride with kharn, you know in case he goes apeshit and kills the rest of the team. good times

Pardon my ignorance but how is warptime nerfed?

Pardon my ignorance but how is warptime nerfed?

Warptime has been clarified to be re-roll all or nothing, not just misses. It went from amazing to a mulligan. Not worth 25 points.

Demon Prince w/Wings/Warptime

I love the idea of a DP, but monstrous creatures just aren't very good right now. Kharn or a cheap Lord with a power weapon would be a better value.

6 Beserkers in Rhino
6 Beserkers in Rhino

I actually think you would be better off with 2 squads of 5 normal CSM with meltguns. The Berzerkers don't have much versatility.

3 Terminators w/3xCombi-Melta
3 Terminators w/3xCombi-Melta

The idea is good, but I don't know that you need both of these at this point level. If you do keep them, it might be worth making one combi plasma unit. My rationale there is that plasma would help with Devastators/Long Fangs more than melta.

2 Oblits
1 Oblit
1 Oblit

The thing about Oblits is that you pay a hefty premium for versatility. I'd consider dropping two and instead taking one unit of Havoks with 4 missile launchers or autocannons.

Overall, the list is a very strong starting army. You have much more insight than most of the first attempts I see. Chaos is a tough army to play right now because many of their units are not viable or downright bad for competitive gameplay. But overall, take away the DP for a cheaper HQ and swap the Berzerkers for more regular CSM. Maybe grab an icon of chaos glory if you reach 7-8 of them. Havoks will help more than Oblits as well.

hmm I'd run two single oblits

Bump up the berzerkers to 8 man squads with champ and power fist, its fluffy and you will take a few casualties before getting into combat..

If you want the term squads then you need to give the berzekers icons. Combi Melta's on the Rhinos is worth while as well.

I'd be tempted to drop a term unit and see if you can fit in a chosen unit with melta guns in a rhino to go forward with the berzerkers.

In regards to what the others have said I'd use a cheap lord unless you have a really nice DP model you want to use.

Thanks for all the responses, how about something like this?

Chaos Lord w/Daemon weapon

3 Terminators w/3xCombi-Melta&PW's

8 Beserkers w/Champ+PF in Rhino w/Combi Melta
8 Beserkers w/Champ+PF in Rhino w/Combi Melta

Oblit
Oblit

this leaves 109 points for something..... hrmmm this is hard!

Looks good so far I'd deff add icons though so you have some secure places for deep striking the terms or oblits.

With the two icons for the berzerker squads you could afford a 5 man CSM unit with a Lascannon for holding objectives.

I always find it hard filling in the last few points.

edit: is there enough spare points for melta bombs for the lord as well?

I vote
x1 dp, MoK, wings (130?I think)
x8 zerks+rhino
x8 zerks+rhino (406)
x10 csm, icon, champ
x10 csm, icon, champ (350?)
x1 Summoned Greater Daemon

I think that's 986 total points?

Just dropping in to say something.

Koski wrote:I vote
x1 dp, MoK, wings (130?I think)
x8 zerks+rhino
x8 zerks+rhino (406)
x10 csm, icon, champ
x10 csm, icon, champ (350?)
x1 Summoned Greater Daemon

I think that's 986 total points?

Just dropping in to say something.

I don't think this will work very well.

The DP is the only thing that can take out tanks so will attract every heavy weapon on the table.

The greater demon can only be summoned by using the champs from the CSM units who have no rhino so will never get into range for the daemon to be of any effect.

The zerks need fists otherwise dreads will rip them apart, they also need them to open tins to get the occupants out to slaughter in the blood gods name.

Haha, those are possible outcomes. I'll take my chances walking 20 CSM across the board in a 1k point game. I know the DP isn't "ideal" but it's fluffy, and MoK is a fairly cheap upgrade.

1k pt games always felt like "rock, papper, scissors" and typically the "tidal wave" of power armor did okay for me as long as you can bust the few tanks the enemy brings.


How's this, drop the GD, move the champs to the zerks, add PFs for the str 10 on the assault with zerks. 64 pts left over. empty CSM squads besides icons.

I always enjoying CSM over traditionalists because the MCs we can bring. Not because they're "over-powered" or such. But they're huge fire magnets, and being eternal warrior the DP has never let me down, every strong shot at him is one not at my rhinos in most cases.

btw. On second thought what the hell was I thinking with the GD haha, you could just take another DP if you wanted MC swamp haha, brain-fart.

While oblits are awesome, they are kind of very counter to your lite version of khorn.

How about

2 x DP with wings (or sub 1 for Kharn)

3 x 8 berzerkers in rhinos
3 x termicide 3 x combimelta 1 w chainfist


All of this will get close up and 24 berzerkers will do the dirty work.

BTW to build this is 2 boxes of berzerkers, 3 rhinos, 2 DP and 1 terminator vs 1 box of berzerkers, 2 rhinos, 2 terminators and 4 obliterators.

It should be cheaper and more resilient. 1 termicide should be sufficient to light up the -at most- 1 land raider and everything else - with AV10 rear should be living in fear of demon princes and frenzied berzerkers attacking them.

With everything getting up close and personal, your troops should survive. If you have any points left, I would go skull champions with melta bomb and power weapon. (Don't do the PF as that gives up your initiative and an attack that could be going at S5 and I5.)

GiraffeX wrote:
With the two icons for the berzerker squads you could afford a 5 man CSM unit with a Lascannon for holding objectives.

Can't have a heavy weapon on a 5man squad IIRC, it needs to be 10man strong.

On the list I'd go with:

HQ:
Kharn

Elites:
3x Termies w/3 combi-meltas

Troops:
8x Zerks, Champ w/PF & Icon in a Rhino w/combi-melta
8x Zerks, Champ w/PW in a Rhino w/combi-melta

Heavy:
1xOblie
1xOblie
1xOblie

Total: 996 pts

You could leave 1 oblie on reserves for him to deepstrike as well (or 2) in case you are fighting mosters and need that twin-link rapid fire plasma. Kharn rides with the iconless zerks (Kharn already has a personal icon so no need), his gorechild can decimate vehicles and the other squad has a power fist, besides having meltas on your rhino always helps taking care of any armor around, at least until the oblies/termies arrive.

damn, that list would own at 1000, unless of course kharn decides to kill his whole unit.

I forgot about the 10 man squad thing.

I really like Lord Yayula's list, looks pretty sound to me.

You guys are absolutely awesome and you've given me alot to think about. Yayula's list does indeed look to me to be very cool indeed. I also liked DAddict's list for its simplicity and thoughtfulness regarding purchasing of models. Again I can't thank all you guys enough!