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Okay quick question here.....can an Independent Character join a unit if the unit is at its max size?

Example....can a Warboss or Big Mek join a mob of 30 boys? I think so, but I don't have my role book in front of me to check all the Indepentent Character rules for joining a unit.

Yes.

the max size is the maximum you ae allowed to purchase. It does not limit your ability to join units to it during the game

Yes, they have permission to join a unit and nothing that denies that based on max unit size.

Unless the max unit size is 1 - then they are unable to join as the unit can only ever exist as a single model.

rigeld2 wrote:...
Unless the max unit size is 1 - then they are unable to join as the unit can only ever exist as a single model.

most 1 unit guys are independent characters
An IC can always join another IC (so in theory you could have a squad of IC's running around)

even if it is 1 guy it is still a unit, so an IC can still join it.

unless it says that they cannot be joined by an IC, such as guardsmen marbo.


but, to answer the OP
yes, the warboss can be with the boys

ZOMBIE CAT wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:...
Unless the max unit size is 1 - then they are unable to join as the unit can only ever exist as a single model.

most 1 unit guys are independent characters

False - many monstrous creatures are 1 model units (Hive Tyrant, Mawloc, Trygon, Tyrannofex, Tervigon)

An IC can always join another IC (so in theory you could have a squad of IC's running around)

Yes - because there's a specific allowance for it.

even if it is 1 guy it is still a unit, so an IC can still join it.

False.

BRB page 48 wrote:They cannot, however, join vehicle squadrons
(see the Vehicles section) and units that always
consist of a single model (like most vehicles and
monstrous creatures).

unless it says that they cannot be joined by an IC, such as guardsmen marbo.

Marbo only restates what the BRB does.

but, to answer the OP
yes, the warboss can be with the boys

Correct.

rigeld2 wrote:

ZOMBIE CAT wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:...
Unless the max unit size is 1 - then they are unable to join as the unit can only ever exist as a single model.

most 1 unit guys are independent characters

False - many monstrous creatures are 1 model units (Hive Tyrant, Mawloc, Trygon, Tyrannofex, Tervigon)

The underlined is partially incorrect.

The Hive Tyrant can be a 1 model unit, but he can also be a unit of more than one model, since the Tyrant Guard and the Hive Tyrant can be a single unit.

DeathReaper wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

ZOMBIE CAT wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:...
Unless the max unit size is 1 - then they are unable to join as the unit can only ever exist as a single model.

most 1 unit guys are independent characters

False - many monstrous creatures are 1 model units (Hive Tyrant, Mawloc, Trygon, Tyrannofex, Tervigon)

The underlined is partially incorrect.

The Hive Tyrant can be a 1 model unit, but he can also be a unit of more than one model, since the Tyrant Guard and the Hive Tyrant can be a single unit.

Right - I find that's debatable enough to say that an IC can't join unless the TG are around. If an IC joins and the TG are nuked, the Tyrant/IC squad doesn't break, but he can't re-join if they split up.

Really?

The language is pretty clear in this case.

An IC can not join a unit that always consists of a single model.

The Hive Tyrant does not "always consist of a single model" therefore an IC could join a Hive Tyrant even if there were no Tyrant Guard on the table.

DeathReaper wrote:Really?

The language is pretty clear in this case.

An IC can not join a unit that always consists of a single model.

The Hive Tyrant does not "always consist of a single model" therefore an IC could join a Hive Tyrant even if there were no Tyrant Guard on the table.

I think it's an issue with the half retinue that is the Tyrant/Tyrant Guard.

If I choose not to take any TG can the Prime still join the Tyrant?
There's explicit permission for ICs to join ICs, and since the Tyrant isn't really an IC it gets grey for me.
No big deal either way - it happens so rarely it's not worth discussing.

Yes

Because there are times when the Ht isnt a unit of one model, he isnt "always" a unit consisting of one model - by definition.

Shrug. I understand that point, but the Tyrant is only ever one model if I don't take any Guard.

Note that that's different from a Carnifex - the Carnifex Brood has the potential for multiple models. The Hive Tyrant never does. The Tyrant Brood is a separate unit that the Tyrant can (but not must) join as a special rule.

Like I said - I think I've only cared about this one time ever (winged Tyrant so no Guard, thought about attaching a Prime during the game to grab some sweet cover, decided not to, decided to think about it after the game) and it's not a game changing ruling... just my thoughts on the subject.

That same argument can be used against the fex - if you dont decide to buy any more fex in that brood for that game he is only ever one model

Just because its from a different choice does not invalidate that the HT is NOT a unit that ALWAYS consists of one model

So we are agreed that an IC can join a Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord even when there are no tyrant guard?

Alright gang thanks for the help. 30 boys plus an IC is legal unless there is a codex based special rule dictating otherwise. Got it. Thanks again for the help.

Happyjew wrote:So we are agreed that an IC can join a Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord even when there are no tyrant guard?

Yes