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2012/01/30 16:14:16
Subject: Necron Command Barge
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Huge Hierodule
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I searched the thread as well as Google and couldn't come up with this topic on Dakka so here goes:
What are the arguments for (and against) a Necron IC in a Command Barge using his Sweeping Attack special rule vs a unit that is locked in CC? Here is what i know to be true regarding this topic:
-1.) Necron Overlord may nominate one unit he moves over while embarked within the CCB and resolve 3 separate attacks vs that unit.
-2.) Is not a Shooting Attack, as it happens during the movement phase and uses hand weapons the O.Lord is carrying.
-3.) Not Close Combat attacks, either, as per the Necron FAQ.
-4.) May select the recipient of a resultant wound (if there is one) for every to-hit roll of '6'
So as I see the rules, there are no restrictions preventing the use of this tactic. I found it quite helpful vs a beast squad that was tarpitting a unit of my immortals for an entire game, I sweeping attacked the unit twice, rolling a few 6's and instant-deathing some razorwing flocks that were being troublesome. It wasn't enough punch to completely turn the combat in my favor (as that tarpit did indeed last the entire game) but it kept me alive far longer than otherwise. I can see the sweep-aide being useful vs more MEQ armies as well, to potentially take out powerfists before they crush too many of my robots.
So, have I nailed it or is there something I'm missing here? Let me know, dakka!
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2012/01/30 16:38:38
Subject: Re:Necron Command Barge
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Sinewy Scourge
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I can't see anything in the rules that would prevent this.
Seems a legal and viable tactic.
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2012/01/30 18:26:31
Subject: Necron Command Barge
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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100% legal, as you have permission to hit an enemy unit and no applicable restriction exists
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2012/01/30 19:02:05
Subject: Necron Command Barge
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
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Perfectly fine.
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2012/01/30 23:25:24
Subject: Necron Command Barge
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Freaky Flayed One
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woah, that's a biggy. You're 100% right
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2012/01/31 05:07:20
Subject: Necron Command Barge
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
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Hmmmm, very cheesey, but seems to be correct.
I am a necron player calling cheese on that one...
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2012/01/31 05:21:34
Subject: Necron Command Barge
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Legal? Yes.
Potentially an oversight? Yes.
Without specific permission to target a locked unit I wouldn't even try this. Legal or not, it breaks a LOT of conventions about CC in 40k, and will simply label you as TFG. YMMV.
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2012/01/31 05:43:29
Subject: Necron Command Barge
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
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Lordhat wrote:Without specific permission to target a locked unit I wouldn't even try this. Legal or not, it breaks a LOT of conventions about CC in 40k, and will simply label you as TFG. YMMV.
I think your gaming group is very judgemental. 
Totally legal, and I fully encourage using the sweep attacks to deal with MEQ's 'hidden' power fists. Necrons can't stand on their own in CC without synergy from other units, and this is an example of doing exactly that.
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2012/01/31 05:52:35
Subject: Necron Command Barge
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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azazel the cat wrote:
I think your gaming group is very judgemental.
You would be right, although I wouldn't say 'group' so much as 'community'. It just seems like one of those things that:
1. Can easily be called a loophole and a WAAC maneuver.
2. Will cause arguments.
3. Goes against the convention of deliberately targeting a locked unit with a non- CC attack.
This being said, I wouldn't penalize the player using it in a tournament I run, but I wouldn't encourage it, either.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2012/01/31 08:14:48
Subject: Necron Command Barge
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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azazel the cat wrote:
I think your gaming group is very judgemental.
It's also possible that Azazel's gaming group is not sufficiently cynical
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2012/01/31 08:16:01
Subject: Necron Command Barge
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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It is a lovely sight to sweep an IG blob, kill the comisar and watch a blob turn tail and run! With some luck you can even do a sweeping advance!
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2012/01/31 08:19:45
Subject: Necron Command Barge
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Stormin' Stompa
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Who voted "no", and why?
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2012/01/31 08:36:53
Subject: Necron Command Barge
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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From an army-flavor point of view, Necrons are actually quite good at damaging/removing units that are locked in CC. Death Ray, Tesla Arc, Staff of the Destroyer, Portal of Exile, Sweep Attack... Add to that things that hit the opponent with their own weapons like MSS and Mind in the Machine, RP/EL, and the always glance on a 6 of gauss weaponry and you have a nice meta-theme "you are never fully safe from a necron"
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2012/01/31 09:50:09
Subject: Necron Command Barge
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Since JotWW ther is no such thing as "safety" in close combat any longer.
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2012/01/31 13:42:39
Subject: Necron Command Barge
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I personally believe that due to the fact that this is a permissive rule set and that this is a one of a kind kinda move that it would/should have specific permission to do that or it would/should be disallowed.. I have no problem if I'm wrong but its just that there is such a defined order of progression of how the turns go and what can happen in them and when something comes up that changes that I just think there should be something showing exactly what non conventional things they can do.. just my thought and like I said, if I'm wrong I have no problem with that being a viable tactic. Thanks..
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2012/01/31 14:18:41
Subject: Necron Command Barge
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The Hive Mind
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You have permission to sweep any unit you fly over. There's no restriction limiting you to out-of-CC units.
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2012/01/31 14:38:02
Subject: Necron Command Barge
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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My group has no problems with this at all. It's not seen as cheese at all.
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2012/01/31 14:47:05
Subject: Necron Command Barge
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Deranged Necron Destroyer
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I don't see why it is illegal and why you would call that cheesy, they guy with barge goes to the 200 pts ...
This is indeed the Necron theme, if spacewolfs are allowed to this then necrons to, i don't hear people call op as JOTWW snipes your chars out...
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2012/01/31 16:14:06
Subject: Necron Command Barge
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Huge Hierodule
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Alrighty it seems as though there is a pretty strong thumbs up on this tactic. Thanks dakka!
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2012/01/31 16:25:35
Subject: Re:Necron Command Barge
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
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Necrons really seem to have not much problem hitting things in close combat with things that normally shouldn't. Shooting tesla destructors at units close to engaged combats comes to mind nicely.
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2012/01/31 17:16:25
Subject: Necron Command Barge
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
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Welll... only the arc hits into cc... but in general that theme is fairly accurate.
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2012/01/31 20:19:03
Subject: Necron Command Barge
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
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foolishmortal wrote:azazel the cat wrote:
I think your gaming group is very judgemental.
It's also possible that Azazel's gaming group is not sufficiently cynical
Yeah, we do attempt to enjoy games. 
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2012/01/31 23:42:25
Subject: Necron Command Barge
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Mekboy on Kustom Deth Kopta
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well this makes things interesting. and apparently I can do the same thing with the def koptas boom gun 
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2012/02/01 04:44:10
Subject: Necron Command Barge
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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I think you mean bigbomm. A boomgun is on a looted wagon
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/02/01 04:44:36
"Ignorance is bliss, and I am a happy man."
"When you claim to be a purple unicorn, and I do not argue with you, it is not because I agree with you."
“If the iron is hot, I desire to believe it is hot, and if it is cool, I desire to believe it is cool.”
"Beware when you find yourself arguing that a policy is defensible rather than optimal; or that it has some benefit compared to the null action, rather than the best benefit of any action." |
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