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Lord:
Crone Hellebron (general) 350
High Sorceres,talisman of preservation 4+ ward,darkstar cloak +1 power dice (with cbow bunker) 330

hero:
Hag Queen (in witch unit) bsb-asf banner ,touch of death 180
Hag Queen Coldren of Blood,rune of Kain (+ d3 attacks) 225
Lokhir Fellheart (with corsairs)250

Witch elf x 40(full command-banner of Murder) 450
Corsairs x 40 (full command-banner Sea Searpent) 450
Reapiter Crossbow x 20 (Guardmaster,musican) shields 230

Cold One Knights x 5(full command-banner of eteral flame) 185

Hydrax2 350

total 3000 k

1) Hellebron is the Hag Queen. The others are properly titled 'Death Hags'.

2) Witches are I5 and go simultaneously or before virtually anything. The ASF banner is largely wasted on them.

3) Lokhir is way overpriced for what he does. Try a generic combat master instead; he'll be much cheaper and just as effective. Perhaps full mundane, beastmaster's scourge, AoES and Dragonbane Gem for 4 S4 AP attacks (5 with Frenzy), 3+ armor/4+ regen/2+ ward vs. fire for a mere 140ish points vs. Lokhir's 250. Trust me on this, frenzied corsairs are gonna tear stuff up just fine, and if they need some help against heavily armored stuff, the Killing Blow blessing is a magnificent way to even the odds. Now take that 110 points and take a second cauldron on the hag BSB. Being able to bless two units is quite nice in this sort of list.

4) 40 Corsairs is too many in a single unit. 30 at most, to take advantage of Horde Formation, is as big as you'll ever need. Bigger than that and you are wasting attacks.

5) Pretty much the same with the Witches. I'd go with a single unit of 30 FC and BOM, backed up by 2 units of 10 with musicians. The smaller units are magnificent throw-away units for maneuver control, that will carve a nice piece off any unit they hit.

6) Use the points saved to buy more Repeater Crossbows. This is your SCR block late in the game, once combat starts in earnest and there aren't many targets left to shoot at.

7) 5 Cold One Knights is too small to make full use of the FC goodies - 5 T3 bodies, even with a 2+ save, is just too easy to kill. Either make the unit bigger (10ish), or strip it down to bare minimum + musician and use the points elsewhere.

ok... 1) first of all we are not here to discuss about mistakes in "term of context" .yep 'Death Hags' in book,but I don't write my army list on paper,i make it in army builder

2)ok smarty,and what if i play against HE?

3)Lokhir is overpriced-that's for sure-but this is fluffy list

4&5) I played with 40 and it's exactly good number 4 unit( I lose some through shooting,until I reach combat,and with 30 -10 at least that's not good 4 horde)

6) Cbow are ok,but in my expirience I don't need more although I have models (for 2 units of 16)

7) 5 COK is small ..maybe one more..but couldn't fit list.They are not hammer unit in this list,they are just decoy unit...and if they reach some war mashine it's ql.If someone shoot them it's more ql because that turn my other units are protected.

btw thanks 4 your time,I really appriciate your answer but I don'tfind it constructive.
cheers

High Elves are not a problem at all for Dark Elves, if you're worried about facing them then go stock up on shades- they single-handedly ruin most HE lists.

The knight unit is way too small to having anything other than a musician in them. Get them up to at least 8 before starting to make them more expensive with magic items.

Ok..that's nice idea..
I'm a Daemon player and once in tournament I played against Hellebron-for a 1st place...It was a very compatitive tournament(2,5 k ,32 players) and my opponent beat me easilly with Witch horde(I played With Khorne/nurgle list).He alsow had unit of 11 COD with Malus.2 hydras and some dark riders.
And about shades ,It sounds nice.I'll try
btw thanks

Sorry you found my advice unhelpful. I'd reccomend checking out Druchii.net for more advice... but they'll tell you pretty much everything I did.

I am curious as to how corsairs and Lokhir Fellhart fall under the category of 'fluffy Hellebron Khainite list.' Executioners would fit much better, fluffwise.

The one thing that would be good about the ASF banner is that you get rerolls to hit with it against everyone intiative 5 or lower that doesn't have ASF. That alone should make it worth it.

Everything else I do agree to some point. While the extra buffs to numbers with a 40 man block is nice, unless you expect high shooty lists, it might just be a waste. It all depends on what the points would be used for.

I do also agree with the Knights, though the Flaming Banner is the best way to use them if they are decked out. They'll be your dedicated anti-regen flanker. But perhaps that banner might be a bit more useful in one of the blocks (assuming that either Witches or Corsairs can TAKE special banners. )

I like the fluffy of the list, though yeah, sadly Lokir is pretty...expensive. Oh well, could be worse, it could be Bragg the Gutsman (100 points over standard hero for nothing but a situation weapon. Blah.)

Try Kouran and Tullaris from the DE book. They are champions that cost around 100 points each... for a one-wound model with T3 and a 5+ save.

flamingwalnut wrote:The one thing that would be good about the ASF banner is that you get rerolls to hit with it against everyone intiative 5 or lower that doesn't have ASF. That alone should make it worth it.

You're getting re-rolls from Eternal Hatred in the first round anyway. Witch Elves will slaughterise most things in that first round (if they don't then you're going to feel it when the attacks come back, T3 and no armour save is not nice) and if you're against HE then it's re-rolls in every round.

Oh and Witch Elves are I6, Vulcan

Is Hellebron just running around on foot? Because she will get killed very easily by shooting if she is. I'd stick her in with the Witch Elves, make the BSB into another Cauldron of Blood so you can pump out double the gifts (like an extra attack on the witch elves and killing blow on the corsairs).

I would say that COK are pretty expensive to be a decoy. Dark Riders would be more suited to that, they're faster, (slightly) cheaper and can harass with crossbow fire. Or throw some Harpies in, they're fluffy for a Khainite list and can make short work of war machine crews and other skirmishers. Plus if harpies run you don't need to worry about your other units legging it.

My Khainite fluff list was 2 hordes of witch elves (1 of 40 with Banner of Murder and one of 39 with Eternal Flame) with Hellebron in the 39 unit, 2 Cauldrons (1 of which is the BSB), 2 units of 5 harpies, a block of 40 executioners with Tullaris and Banner of Swiftness (extra movement helps catch heavy cavalry by surprise and get into positions for flank charges), 6 shades with an assassin with a crossbow and rending stars and 2 hydras.


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Vulcan wrote:Try Kouran and Tullaris from the DE book. They are champions that cost around 100 points each... for a one-wound model with T3 and a 5+ save.

Kouran isn't that bad. His armour is pretty nifty against low toughness enemies and Crimson Death is still an awesome weapon. Being Unbreakable is nice too.

As for Tullaris, Fear can be pretty useful at minimising the damage inflicted against the unit. Wouldn't use him in a challenge though so his Sacred Slaughterer rule is pretty much wasted.