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2012/02/02 02:41:54
Subject: If a flamer is out of range..does it still fire?
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Sword-Wielding Bloodletter of Khorne
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Title says it all. If a flamer is out of range..can you still drop the template aimed at the target?
Say you have a leman russ with a hull mounted heavy flamer...a target out in front...but also another unit right on front of the tank...if you fire at the unit out in front with the main gun...does the template still drop to hit the unit right on front of said tank?
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2012/02/02 02:43:29
Subject: If a flamer is out of range..does it still fire?
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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No. Out of range = Automatic miss.
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2012/02/02 03:44:32
Subject: Re:If a flamer is out of range..does it still fire?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Agreed. Out of range is always an automatic miss. Doesn't matter if you clip another unit with the template, it the primary target is out of range you can't do a thing.
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2012/02/02 04:59:55
Subject: Re:If a flamer is out of range..does it still fire?
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Confessor Of Sins
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The weapon still fires, it just doesn't hit anything since the target is out of range. The only case where the difference means anything is if you used a one-shot weapon - it's now spent and you missed automatically.
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2012/02/02 14:17:27
Subject: If a flamer is out of range..does it still fire?
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Huge Hierodule
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Auto-miss. I encountered this when trying to use a tyrranofex in the same way - shoot the rupture cannon at a tank 48" away while dropping dessicator larvae on infantry right in front of me. I was schooled that this is an invalid tactic at that point in time. Would be nice, though.
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2012/02/02 15:30:22
Subject: Re:If a flamer is out of range..does it still fire?
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
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The only case where the difference means anything is if you used a one-shot weapon - it's now spent and you missed automatically.
Actually the C'tann power Lord of Fire is another case where this matters. The flamer still fires and is subject to the roll on the Lord of Fire. Not that anyone rocks a C'tann with LoF 
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2012/02/02 15:47:02
Subject: If a flamer is out of range..does it still fire?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Additionally, units like NDK who can place the template out 12" will not be able to place it if the target unit isn't within 12", even if the end of the template would hit them. At least that's how it was ruled in our local GT.
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2012/02/02 16:00:34
Subject: If a flamer is out of range..does it still fire?
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The Hive Mind
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hyv3mynd wrote:Additionally, units like NDK who can place the template out 12" will not be able to place it if the target unit isn't within 12", even if the end of the template would hit them. At least that's how it was ruled in our local GT.
That doesn't make sense, and I don't think has any rules basis.
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2012/02/02 16:10:25
Subject: If a flamer is out of range..does it still fire?
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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What about a template weapon that has no chance of hurting the target, can it still hit other units under the template?
Example: SW Rune priest uses thunder clap on a Leman Russ with a vet squad in front of it. He still wants to charge the tank so instead of shooting at the guys, he shoots at the tank that has no chance of hurting it. BUT the template still hits the guys under the template, clearing them out, and letting him assault the tank anyway....
Seemed legit when it happened to me, but there is some cheese in there.
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2012/02/02 16:29:59
Subject: If a flamer is out of range..does it still fire?
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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sfshilo wrote:What about a template weapon that has no chance of hurting the target, can it still hit other units under the template?
Example: SW Rune priest uses thunder clap on a Leman Russ with a vet squad in front of it. He still wants to charge the tank so instead of shooting at the guys, he shoots at the tank that has no chance of hurting it. BUT the template still hits the guys under the template, clearing them out, and letting him assault the tank anyway....
Seemed legit when it happened to me, but there is some cheese in there.
That's legal. You're allowed to shoot anything at anything, so long as you fulfill the basic requirements of being within range and having LOS; whether you can actually hurt the target or not is irrelevant.
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2012/02/02 16:42:06
Subject: If a flamer is out of range..does it still fire?
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Confessor Of Sins
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Gah, right you are - and it makes a difference for Plasma too as you still have to check for Gets Hot! ;-)
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2012/02/02 16:42:14
Subject: If a flamer is out of range..does it still fire?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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You are also required to cover as much of the target unit as possible.
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2012/02/02 18:02:14
Subject: If a flamer is out of range..does it still fire?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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hyv3mynd wrote:Additionally, units like NDK who can place the template out 12" will not be able to place it if the target unit isn't within 12", even if the end of the template would hit them. At least that's how it was ruled in our local GT.
No rules basis for that whatsoever
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2012/02/02 18:05:07
Subject: If a flamer is out of range..does it still fire?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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My bad then. I was playing a dude from canada that's been playing way longer than me and the call was backed by the judge who's a very well known player from boston. I tried to find something related to the hellhound but its not in the FAQ.
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2012/02/02 18:06:32
Subject: If a flamer is out of range..does it still fire?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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It has range "template" still, with a special rule as to how you place the template. The only requirement for being in range is if the unit can be caught by the template, and you can place the template up to 12" away to do so
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2012/02/02 22:14:50
Subject: If a flamer is out of range..does it still fire?
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Heroic Senior Officer
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hyv3mynd wrote:Additionally, units like NDK who can place the template out 12" will not be able to place it if the target unit isn't within 12", even if the end of the template would hit them. At least that's how it was ruled in our local GT.
They ruled wrong.
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