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Example: Strakkan has a 12" range that causes friendly units to have counter attack and furious charge. If he's a chimera does it still apply?

Psychic cover save powers in transports still work right? Isn't this similar?

Yes and yes. Someone will be along shortly to give you an exact page number.

I am very curious about this and would appreciate page references. I am trying to find some sort of pattern in how GW rules on things being "on the table"

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This should not be compared to psychic powers as it is a special rule. The answer can be found in the 40K Rulebook FAQ v.1.5

Q: Can models embarked upon a vehicle use its fire
points to draw line of sight to a unit to use special
rules or wargear (other than shooting)? (p66)
A: No.

Straken's special rule does not need line of sight and therefore can be used while embarked.

If a special rule needs LOS than it cannot be used while embarked.

Tironum wrote:

If a special rule needs LOS than it cannot be used while embarked.

Which is, from memory, three Special Rules: Coteaz' I've Been Expecting You, Anrakyr's Mind in the Machine and a couple of Njal's powers during his Lord of Tempests rule.

Page 66, measure to or from embarked units by measuring to the hull

Thank you nos. That reference sums it up nicely.

2nd column, last sentence in the second paragraph for the curious.

Awesome thanks guys, seemed like an oddity that comes up quite a bit.

So if you need to see the object you are using your special rule on, you cannot use a rule inside a dedicated transport.

What about transports with fire points, can LOS special power be used then? (Or are the fire points ONLY for shooting?)

Fire points are only for shooting and psychic powers.

There was some new language in the GW Jan 2012 BRB faq on this.

Q: Can models embarked upon a vehicle use its fire
points to draw line of sight to a unit to use special
rules or wargear (other than shooting)? (p66)
A: No.

The above, combined with the rules on psyker powers (shooting and non-shooting) used while in transports, and the range measuring rules on p66 BRB (Embarking) seem to fit together nicely. I haven't found any holes yet, and I have been poking them with a stick.

While this gets brought up a bit

Page 66, measure to or from embarked units by measuring to the hull

please note that it also says 'if you need to measure range to/from an embarked unit' right before that. Now, straken lists no ability to allow measuring from a vehicle. Other special rules, however, DO mention being allowed to be used from a vehicle. Scoring, for example, gives explicit permission to measure from a vehicle. Thus my default position is that you need permission to measure range to/from embarked units, not just a special rule that 'could' reach them.

Case in point was the Tyranid FAQ. If you are allowed to measure range, why does the Doom of Malantai not work, if Straken does? Both would use the exact same rule to give an effect to/from an embarked unit.

Now, in the past, GW was very clear that abilites dont work in vehicles unless they say they do. In 5th, they never made a cut and dry statement, and have flip/floped on the issue with FAQ rulings. In the leak for 6th, despite authenticity, it is back to a blanket 'no' for abilities in vehicles.

However, everyone just plays 5th that anything they want works to/from vehicles (at least until the GW faq regarding LOS came out, limiting, what, 5 total rules?), unless something 'percieved' silly comes along, like Doom. For as much gnashing of teeth Doom may have caused, any argument againt Doom working is the same argument against Straken working or Pedro's +1 attack bubble working.

"If you need to measure range" gives blanket permission.

Doom doesnt work in vehicles for a more sensible reason - units inside vehicles cant be directly affected by outside shooting-type powers

The rule of thumb that seems to universally apply is that it requires VERY special and explicit permission to do something into a transport, but that doing something out of a transport is allowed unless specifically disallowed/limited by rule or faq.

No, it's pretty specific both ways, it's just that there are more exceptions to what what you can do from inside a transport than there are to something inside a transport.