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I'm looking for page #'s from rulebooks and GW rulings.

I'm trying to collect a list of 40k rules and rulings (not fluff) that specifically mentions sweeping advance

I don't care if it mentions it to allow it or disallow it. I would strongly prefer it to be in a current rulebook. 2nd Ed citations are interesting, but not truly helpful.

Example 1 : "And they shall know no fear" p53 SM codex (5th ed)

Example 2 : WARHAMMER 40,000:RULEBOOK Official Update Version 1.5, page 3, top left.

Opinions without rules or rulings citations, are of course welcome. I won't be focusing on them, but far be it from me to try and stop you freely expressing yourself on the internet.

Edit : our list so far

Especially Relevant (IMO)

p40 BRB (5th) Sweeping Advance - Large section in which SA rules are initially defined.

p53 SM codex (5th ed) "And they shall know no fear" - specifically exempts units with this rule from being destroyed by SA.
ATSKNF: Page 22 of Black Templar Codex
ATSKNF: Page 24 of Space Wolves Codex

Not so relevant (IMO)
There are a number of mentions of Sweeping Advance in the rules and rulings that exist, but I don't believe are particularly relevant to the Ever Living necron IC discussion. I will list them here for reference and completeness, but not expand on them. Others are free to disagree, of course.

p33 BRB (5th) - a summery of sweeping advance appears in the Resolve combats summery
p41 BRB (5th) - sweeping advance in reference to Assault Results
p55 BRB (5th) - sweeping advance in reference to Artillery Morale
p63 BRB (5th) - sweeping advance in reference to Assaulting a Vehicle
p73 BRB (5th) - sweeping advance in reference to Walkers
p75 BRB (5th) - sweeping advance in reference to Furious Charge, Hit & Run

p104 SM codex (5th ed) - Terminator Armor rules
Terminator Armor: Page 61 of Space Wolves Codex
Terminator Armor: Page 29 of Black Templar Codex

Eldar Codex, page 47: - Wraithsight - Inactive models may not ... or make sweeping advances...
Tyranid Codex, page 54 - Immobile Pod: A mycetic Spore...may not consolidate or make a sweeping advance...
Suffer Not the Unclean to Live: Page 24 of Black Templar Codex

WARHAMMER 40,000:RULEBOOK Official Update Version 1.5, page 3, top left - All must be able to SA to SA

Sweeping Advance P.40 BRB.

Check the Index it has a ton of cool stuff there.

Currently ATSKNF is the ONLY special rule that specifically allows you to ignore the effects of SA, and is thus the only special rule that works against SA.

Doesn't Terminator armor disallow the unit to make a SA?


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Eldar Codex, page 47: Wraithsight
Inactive models may not ... or make sweeping advances...


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One more, Tyranid Codex, page 54
Immobile Pod: A mycetic Spore...may not consolidate or make a sweeping advance...

Ah yes - forget that - TDA prevents you from rolling for SA, but otherwise doesnt confer any protection from SA.

The only reason I bring these three examples up are because they deal with Sweeping Advance in some way, which is what the OP was asking for. I realize that my examples have absolutely no bearing on the super thread.

You just want to compile every rule that mentions Sweeping Advance? I don't know why, but here's a few more:

ATSKNF: Page 22 of Black Templar Codex
Suffer Not the Unclean to Live: Page 24 of Black Templar Codex
Terminator Armor: Page 29 of Black Templar Codex
ATSKNF: Page 24 of Space Wolves Codex
Terminator Armor: Page 61 of Space Wolves Codex
Wraithsight: Page 46 of Eldar Codex (as well as the mention on page 47)

And, there's a ton more, but I'm bored of flipping through to find page numbers.

Hit and run.

Because I missed someone posting it.

Grakmar wrote:
Wraithsight: Page 46 of Eldar Codex (as well as the mention on page 47)

Actually, Wraithsight under wraithguard (p 46) makes no mention of Sweeping Advance. You are right about page 47 though. Probably an oversight.

rigeld2 wrote:
Now, where is the permission to come back from SA? Remember, it has to be permission specific to SA - not just permission to come back from being wiped out.

A solid argument for this is already on the table. SA is not stopped by EL. SA successfully destroys all the models in the fleeing unit. EL triggers at the end of the assault phase, models might come back. there is much undead rejoicing!

For those claiming a special, non-reversable nature to SA, I refer you to the language in the 3rd paragraph of Remove Casualties p24 BRB

foolishmortal wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
Now, where is the permission to come back from SA? Remember, it has to be permission specific to SA - not just permission to come back from being wiped out.

A solid argument for this is already on the table. SA is not stopped by EL. SA successfully destroys all the models in the fleeing unit. EL triggers at the end of the assault phase, models might come back. there is much undead rejoicing!

For those claiming a special, non-reversable nature to SA, I refer you to the language in the 3rd paragraph of Remove Casualties p24 BRB

a) you shouldn't bring one thread into another.
b) page 24 doesn't reference Sweeping Attack. SA is more specific, more specific wins.

The argument was that "for them the battle is over" meant that there was no coming back. The language on p24 is very similar, but clearly there is coming back from being a casualty (if you're a necron - RP, EL, Ghost Arc Repair, surrogate host)

If "for them the battle is over" is not a forever blanket statement, SA can resolve, destroy the unit, the EL resolves and there is no contradiction.

foolishmortal wrote:The argument was that "for them the battle is over" meant that there was no coming back. The language on p24 is very similar, but clearly there is coming back from being a casualty (if you're a necron - RP, EL, Ghost Arc Repair, surrogate host)

If "for them the battle is over" is not a forever blanket statement, SA can resolve, destroy the unit, the EL resolves and there is no contradiction.

The "for them the battle is over" is fluff - you should ignore it.

SA destroys the unit. Unless otherwise specified, nothing can save the unit. Bringing the unit back onto the table is pretty close to the literal definition of saving the unit. Since nowhere does EL specify that it can over-ride SA, you can't come back.

I'm done posting this however. The original thread was locked, and you bringing it up in this thread is close to trolling.

Is this like, the 4th thread all dealing with this EL/SA issue?

This thread stemmed from the original super-thread, however, this is more of a fact-finding thread then anything else.

puma713 wrote:Is this like, the 4th thread all dealing with this EL/SA issue?

Well, some of the separation makes sense - Destroyed vs Wiped Out has more of a far reaching effect than just EL/SA so it makes sense to have a separate thread that doesn't get confused by the EL/SA debate.
Similar to whether or not a model is still a member of his unit after being removed as a casualty - that has more of a far reaching effect.