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Given how big and strong space marines are, why hasn't their gene-seed been utilised to create super-human workers in the civilian sector? Imagine how much more productive a Space Marine worker would be at almost any manual job.
Hell why not make everyone an astartes? Obviously only a few % of people could withstand the process, but after breeding the ones who survived eventually the population would become immune to the side effects. Hey presto, everyone's a Space Marine ->conquer the galexy

Space Marines do not breed. Turning everyone into an Astartes would simply render the human species extinct. Apart from the issues of outfitting them with all the high-quality equipment which gets more rare and precious with each passing millennium.

In regards for manual labour: That's what mutant slave workers are for.

It will not happen because what happens if all those countless marines rise up against the man? countless uprising marines across the imperium of man, attacking from every direction as they are the workers. One ending. Death everywhere. On all sides.

Lynata wrote:Space Marines do not breed. Turning everyone into an Astartes would simply render the human species extinct. Apart from the issues of outfitting them with all the high-quality equipment which gets more rare and precious with each passing millennium.

In regards for manual labour: That's what mutant slave workers are for.

This.
Also, on a religious note, a lot of people would probably object to the Emperor's DNA being sullied by contact with the common man, or something like that.

I think that they do grow extra muscle on those that do hard manual labour, but they can't make the SM's breed as the are basically chemically neutered by all the drugs involved in making them post-human badasses.

Castiel wrote:I think that they do grow extra muscle on those that do hard manual labour, but they can't make the SM's breed as the are basically chemically neutered by all the drugs involved in making them post-human badasses.

In which case if they rebel, like the mutant worker, there will be ALOT of death around the galaxy, as from every side, the common, super powered labourer comes to kill those who opressed them.

Gene-seed is precious it pretty stupid to use it to make super-human schleppers. That's what Servitors and Ogryns are for.

Lynata wrote:In regards for manual labour: That's what mutant slave workers are for.

^ This, it is also what servitors are for.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:a lot of people would probably object to the Emperor's DNA being sullied by contact with the common man, or something like that.

Or actually opposing such plans because they see Space Marines as abhumans and not as proper scions of the Emperor at all...

"Also, it is a matter of debate whether the Space Marines are truly human at all. Their genetically engineered bodies are far superior to a normal human, enough to make them a separate race if one wished to interpret their differences so. How can any self-respecting Confessor or Cardinal relate to a monstrous giant who can spit acid, crush a man's skull with one hand and practices crude acts of blood sacrifice?"
- 2E C:SoB

CrashCanuck wrote:^ This, it is also what servitors are for.

Good man. How could I forget those.

TheRobotLol wrote:

Castiel wrote:I think that they do grow extra muscle on those that do hard manual labour, but they can't make the SM's breed as the are basically chemically neutered by all the drugs involved in making them post-human badasses.

In which case if they rebel, like the mutant worker, there will be ALOT of death around the galaxy, as from every side, the common, super powered labourer comes to kill those who opressed them.

It just makes them a bit stronger. a bullet will kill them as easily as a normal human.

Joey wrote:Given how big and strong space marines are, why hasn't their gene-seed been utilised to create super-human workers in the civilian sector? Imagine how much more productive a Space Marine worker would be at almost any manual job.

Adeptus Mechanicus servitors and Orgyns are more then enough to compensate for that. Als othey use Sentinels and other heavy machinery so why would they need superhumans that can be created in limited number and are highly unstable?

Well why not make everyone an astartes? Obviously only a few % of people could withstand the process, but after breeding the ones who survived eventually the population would become immune to the side effects. Hey presto, everyone's a Space Marine ->conquer the galexy

-In process Astartes became sterile, they can't have children. Otherwise child of A Grey Knight and Sister of Battle would became unstoppable and ultimate anti-Chaos warrior.
-Astartes aren't easy to made, see 21'st founding when Mechanicus get the idea to try to improve them. That was the fail of the millennial...
-Astartes are spiritual symbol to the Mankind. They are the sons of the Emperor ( literary since they are having with them gene-seed from his sons ) and Mankind Angels of Death. Not everyone can be like that, they must choose their candidates wisely.

But I agree with you on one point - Mankind need more then 1.000.000 Space Marines.

They are called servitors, and most of them are lab-bred to do manual labour.

Yeah, they're Str 4 and do what their told. The last thing you want is a planetary uprising bolstered by marine-style persons, even without armour, weaponry and training they'd be much more formidable foe than your average skin and bones Imperial citizen.

Mention is made of "gene-bulked" laborers in various Black Library novels. So genetic manipulation, while it doesn't seem to be common, definitely happens. Also it may depend on the culture of the planet in particular. I could see many Imperial planets having clearly defined labor castes who have been bred for strength and obedience. You don't need incredibly advanced and dangerous techniques for making superhuman warriors in order to create people who are good at picking things up.

For the rest of the day, I'm going to have an image of a space marine in light blue and white power armor delivering mail.

CalgarsPimpHand wrote:Mention is made of "gene-bulked" laborers in various Black Library novels. So genetic manipulation, while it doesn't seem to be common, definitely happens. Also it may depend on the culture of the planet in particular. I could see many Imperial planets having clearly defined labor castes who have been bred for strength and obedience. You don't need incredibly advanced and dangerous techniques for making superhuman warriors in order to create people who are good at picking things up.

I think that was in "The Iron Within" in the "Age of Darkness" book, probably my favourite ever story I have read so far from the HH series. Im not sure if its intentional but they sound Identical to Ogryns.

we are talking about an imperium with possibly HUNDREDS OF TRILLIONS of citizens, why have 1 superhuman worker when you can just throw 50,000 workers on it and lose them all?

clearly you have never played SM vs footguard in CC. then you would know why numbers are better. lol

Joey wrote:Given how big and strong space marines are, why hasn't their gene-seed been utilised to create super-human workers in the civilian sector? Imagine how much more productive a Space Marine worker would be at almost any manual job.
Hell why not make everyone an astartes? Obviously only a few % of people could withstand the process, but after breeding the ones who survived eventually the population would become immune to the side effects. Hey presto, everyone's a Space Marine ->conquer the galexy

- Space Marines are sterile

-Even if they weren't, they will require a female counterpart to reproduce properly, and as we all know, that's impossible.

-Its bloody expensive and hard to do. You'll be better off turning everyone into ogryns.