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*UPDATE* I played the list that was voted as worst Eldar list evar in a tournament and you guys can find the battle report here: http://yriel.blogspot.com/2012/03/epic-fail.html


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In my recent post on my blog ( http://yriel.blogspot.com/ ), I posted something I call "The Ultimate Eldar Challenge"...

Basically, to anyone that plays Eldar... I am calling you to post the worst possible list, according to the rules, that you can come up with. I'll then take what will be determined to be the worst possible list and play it in an RTT and if I somehow place in the top 3, the person who made the list will get a prize. So feel free to check out my blog post and enter if you are interested =).

As many Rangers as possible lead by a single vanilla Autach. If you run out of FOC space take Swooping Hawks without an Exarch. Enjoy.

This is actually quite difficult; I don't want to make an absolutely terrible list, but I can't make it slightly competative-ish. I'll have a crack at it (assuming 1750pts):

Autarch w/ Jetbike, Banshee Mask, Scorpion Chainsword, Lasblaster - 109pts
Jain-Zaar - 190pts

10 Striking Scorpions w/ Exarch + Stalker, Shadowstrike, Scorpion's Claw - 212pts
10 Striking Scorpions w/ Exarch + Stalker, Shadowstrike, Scorpion's Claw - 212pts
10 Fire Dragons w/ Exarch + Tank Hunters, Firepike - 195pts

10x Pathfinders - 240pts
10x Pathfinders - 240pts

10 Swooping Hawks w/ Exarch + Power Weapon, Skyleap, Intercept - 252pts

2x Vibro-Cannon Support Weapons - 100pts

Total - 1750pts

Lol, some interesting submissions. The rules are to post up to 3 lists per person on the appropriate blog post on my blog. The points limit is 1850 btw, so you can prob fit some more swooping hawks in there lol...

Who needs more hawks when you can have more Vibro platforms?! Yay!

I got one:

Kill points: 15
Scoring troops: 2 (22 bodies)
Vehicles: 6 <--yep!

HQ
Farseer, RoWit, Stones, Eldritch Storm
Farseer, RoWit, Stones, Eldritch Storm
4x Warlocks (Spiritseer, conceal, singing spear)
4x Warlocks (Spiritseer, conceal, singing spear)

Elites
3x Wraithguard
3x Wraithguard
3x Wraithguard

Troops
10x Storm guardians w/ enhance spiritseer warlock
10x Storm guardians w/ enhance spiritseer warlock

Fast Attack
2x Vyper (Starcannon, Stones, Holofield!, Star engines)
2x Vyper (Starcannon, Stones, Holofield!, Star engines)
2x Vyper (Starcannon, Stones, Holofield!, Star engines)

Heavy Support
D Cannon w/ enhance spiritseer warlock
D Cannon w/ enhance spiritseer warlock
D Cannon w/ enhance spiritseer warlock

I got this:


HQ
Farseer, RoWit, Stones, Eldritch Storm, Jetbike
Farseer, RoWit, Stones, Eldritch Storm, Jetbike


Troops
20x Storm guardians
20x Storm guardians
20x Storm guardians
20x Storm guardians
20x Storm guardians


Fast Attack
2x Vyper (Starcannon, Stones, Holofield!, Star engines)
2x Vyper (Starcannon, Stones, Holofield!, Star engines)
2x Vyper (Starcannon, Stones, Holofield!, Star engines)

* HQ (290pts)

* Farseer (145pts)
Eldritch Storm (20pts), Jetbike (30pts), Mind War (20pts), Spirit Stones (20pts), Witchblade

* Farseer (145pts)
Eldritch Storm (20pts), Jetbike (30pts), Mind War (20pts), Spirit Stones (20pts), Witchblade

* Elites (492pts)

* Howling Banshees (160pts)
10x Howling Banshee (160pts)

* Howling Banshees (160pts)
10x Howling Banshee (160pts)

* Howling Banshees (172pts)
10x Howling Banshee (160pts)
* Exarch (12pts)
Powerweapon and Shuriken Pistol

* Troops (435pts)

* Guardian Jetbikes (264pts)
12x Jetbike (264pts)

* Rangers (171pts)
9x Rangers (171pts)

* Fast Attack (630pts)

* Swooping Hawks (210pts)
10x Swooping Hawk (210pts)

* Swooping Hawks (210pts)
10x Swooping Hawk (210pts)

* Swooping Hawks (210pts)
10x Swooping Hawk (210pts)


The farseers are useless because of their psychic powers and only one can join a unit (not sure if IC's on bikes could join other units that aren't bikes). Swooping Hawks don't really need an explanation and you just try to run any eldar unit across the table without vehicles or help. The big unit of jetbikes (without cannons ofcourse) is there for being point hogs.

The lists are getting worse people, good job! lol, this will be interesting to see what people come up with by the end of the month...

HQ:
Farseer (Eldricht Storm, RoWit) = 85

Troops:
5xDAs = 60

5xDAs = 60

Elites:
10xHarlies = 180

10xHarlies = 180

10xHarlies = 180

Fast:
10xSwooping Hawks (Exarch) = 222

10xSwooping Hawks (Exarch) = 222

10xSwooping Hawks (Exarch) = 222

Heavy:
3xVibro Cannon (Warlock, Enhance, SpiritSeer) = 196

3xVibro Cannon (Warlock, Enhance, SpiritSeer) = 196

3xVibro Cannon (Warlock, Enhance, SpiritSeer) = 196

Good luck with that.

Since I can't bothered typing out a full list l would say take Blackmoors list, change the Farseers to naked Autarchs and the Vypers to Vibrocannons and you should be ready to get tabled. You shake 3 vehicles a turn and have a bunch of expensive Guardsmen who can't do anything. Some of these lists actually have some units which can do damage, still fragile as hell but 30 Banshees or Harlies actually pack some punch.

Personally I think that 6 Vypers with star cannons will do much more damage than 30 Harlies ever will especially considering how nothing will ever get out of a transport (more or less).

100 scoring bodies can possibly play for a draw in some scenarios, I do not see that happening with 10 DAs.

HQ - Baharroth - 200pts

HQ - Farseer - Runes of Witnessing, Spirit Stones, Eldritch Storm, Mind War, Jetbike - 155pts


Troops - 20 Storm Guardians - Warlock w/ Spiritseer - 191pts

Troops - 20 Storm Guardians - Warlock w/ Spiritseer - 191pts


Fast Attack - 3 Vypers - 3x Starcannon, 3x Holofield, 3x Vectored Engines - 375pts

Fast Attack - 3 Vypers - 3x Starcannon, 3x Holofield, 3x Vectored Engines - 375pts


Heavy Support - 2 Support Weapon Battery's - 2x Shadow Weaver - Warlock w/ Spiritseer, Singing Spear & Enhance - 109pts

Heavy Support - 2 Support Weapon Battery's - 2x Shadow Weaver - Warlock w/ Spiritseer & Enhance - 106pts

Heavy Support - 2 Support Weapon Battery's - 2x Vibro Cannon - Warlock w/ Spiritseer & Enhance - 146pts


Total: 1848pts

Maximum strength weapon = Str 6 (minus Witchblades & Singing Spears), 2 scoring units of 20 weak close combat models, 2 HQ's with no units to join, 9 expensive AV10 vehicles which will hit with a huge 3 Str6 shots for each unit, 6 immobile anti-infantry only weapon platforms. All units have a redundant Warlock...

Added my third and final list:

Autarch w/ Jetbike, Banshee Mask - 103pts
Autarch w/ Jetbike - 100pts

5x Howling Banshees w/ Exarch - 92pts
5x Howling Banshees w/ Exarch - 92pts
5x Howling Banshees w/ Exarch - 92pts

5x Dire Avengers w/ Exarch - 72pts
5x Dire Avengers w/ Exarch - 72pts
5x Dire Avengers w/ Exarch - 72pts
5x Dire Avengers w/ Exarch - 72pts
5x Dire Avengers w/ Exarch - 72pts
5x Dire Avengers w/ Exarch - 72pts

5x Swooping Hawks w/ Exarch - 117pts
5x Swooping Hawks w/ Exarch - 117pts
5x Swooping Hawks w/ Exarch - 117pts

3x Vibro-Cannons + Spiritseer w/ Enhance - 196pts
3x Vibro-Cannons + Spiritseer w/ Enhance - 196pts
3x Vibro-Cannons + Spiritseer w/ Enhance - 196pts

Total - 1850pts

lets see

baharoth 200

banshee phoenix lord 200

5 footsloging banshees 80

5 footsloging banshees 80

5 footsloging banshees 80

20 storm guardians 160

20 storm guardians 160

10 storm guardians 80

20 storm guardians 160 1120

3 vypers with all upgrades and a shuriken i believe 400

3 vypers with all upgrades and a shuriken i believe 400


about 1800

The problem with those worst lists is that not everybody has the models at hand, like 3 vibrocannons.

Baharroth 200
10 Storm Guardians 80
10 Storm Guardians 80
3 Vypers, 3 brightlances, 3 shuriken cannons, 3 holofields, 3 star engines, 3 spirit stones, 3 vectored engines 495
3 Vypers, 3 brightlances, 3 shuriken cannons, 3 holofields, 3 star engines, 3 spirit stones, 3 vectored engines 495
3 Vypers, 3 brightlances, 3 shuriken cannons, 3 holofields, 3 star engines, 3 spirit stones, 3 vectored engines 495
1845pts

Can't get worse than that

Could you potentially have:

Autarch
10 Storm Guardians
10 Storm Guardians

?

I don't know of any rule that forces you to be as close as possible to the required army total, just that you need to be at the points limit or less.

This one is 1850 exactly

Karandras 215
Fuegan 205

10x Banshes 160
10x Banshes 160

5 DA 60
5 DA 60

3x Vipers, all with Bright lance, Shuriken cannon, Vectored engines, Star engines, Holofields, spirit stones. 495
3x Vipers, all with Bright lance, Shuriken cannon, Vectored engines, Star engines, Holofields, spirit stones. 495
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Karandras and Fuegan cannot join any other unit as they are all other aspects. So you have 2 IC sho are pretty short ranged forced to walk alone across the board. Also, they are slow and short ranged. They can get the hurt on if they get close, but getting there should be hard to do. You could swap one for Barroth, but he can hide in reserves and is faster. I think these two are worse overall.

Then you have 2x10 banshees who are also forced to walk. They should melt to incoming firepower. and even if they do make it, most of the enemy will still be in their tanks anyways. Also S3 without doom is not so good either.

2x5 DA for minimal scoring ability and the other troop units you can join the ICs too. Even though you can move and shoot at 18" you will do nothing to tanks, and the low number combined with no guide or doom or bladestorm means you will loose most shoot outs.

Then you have 6 vipers. Even though you will have bright lances and Cannons, you are still paying out the nose for an AV 10 vehicle. The only saving grace is if you get VERY lucky with the holofields, BUT you will die on a 3+ (immobilized and squadron and open topped) or on a 2+ against Ap1. Even if you are lucky, a few shaken results and they are useless anyways.



Basically, you have limited to score, limited durability, and limited mobility. Combine that with the lack of force multiplier that make eldar armies good (farseers and exarchs), and you have somehting really terrible.

wuestenfux wrote:The problem with those worst lists is that not everybody has the models at hand, like 3 vibrocannons.

I have plenty of Vibro cannons =) But anyway, the thing with the worst Eldar lists is that *I* have to play the worst in an upcoming tournament so I'll get the models or proxy if I have to =).

HQ
Farseer w/Eldritch storm +spirit stones + RoWit 105
Troops
Guardian jet bike x 12 w/warlock + spiritseer + Enhance 330
Guardian jet bike x 12 w/warlock + spiritseer + Enhance 330
Guardian jet bike x 12 w/warlock + spiritseer + Enhance 330
Guardian jet bike x 12 w/warlock + spiritseer + Enhance 330
Guardian jet bike x 12 w/warlock + spiritseer + Enhance 330
Guardian jet bike x 5 110

1843

You might be able to move around a lot, but you aren't going to kill anything.

It seems alot of people are focused on small, expensive lists. I disagree with that concept because it would be more of an advantage to be able to hide, even if the units are over-costed or in a 'fail' combo.

So here's my suggestion and I hope you have models because....

HQ

Asurmen

Troops

20x Guardians, brightlance, Warlock with enhance and jetbike
20x Guardians, brightlance, Warlock with enhance and jetbike
20x Guardians, brightlance, Warlock with enhance and jetbike
20x Guardians, brightlance, Warlock with enhance and jetbike
20x Guardians, brightlance, Warlock with enhance and jetbike
20x Guardians, brightlance, Warlock with enhance and jetbike

Heavy

3x Shadow weaver, Warlock with embolden


1850 on the button

And the simple reason this is the Ultimate Challenge? Try not being tabled by turn 3. Too big to hide, too fragile to survive any real damage, weak morale (you know, that thing that only Imperial Guard normally worry about?) and utterly incapable of reliably killing anything. Yes, it's possible to kill something-but- only if you get lucky with the 'Weavers and Lances or close enough to use horde 'Cats. Even then, there's no guaruntee that you'll do enough to matter. In melee....well, we don't speak of the horrors that befall gardners, starving artists and muscians and butlers...

Bloody Adair wrote:It seems alot of people are focused on small, expensive lists. I disagree with that concept because it would be more of an advantage to be able to hide, even if the units are over-costed or in a 'fail' combo.

So here's my suggestion and I hope you have models because....

HQ

Asurmen

Troops

20x Guardians, brightlance, Warlock with enhance and jetbike
20x Guardians, brightlance, Warlock with enhance and jetbike
20x Guardians, brightlance, Warlock with enhance and jetbike
20x Guardians, brightlance, Warlock with enhance and jetbike
20x Guardians, brightlance, Warlock with enhance and jetbike
20x Guardians, brightlance, Warlock with enhance and jetbike

Heavy

3x Shadow weaver, Warlock with embolden


1850 on the button

And the simple reason this is the Ultimate Challenge? Try not being tabled by turn 3. Too big to hide, too fragile to survive any real damage, weak morale (you know, that thing that only Imperial Guard normally worry about?) and utterly incapable of reliably killing anything. Yes, it's possible to kill something-but- only if you get lucky with the 'Weavers and Lances or close enough to use horde 'Cats. Even then, there's no guaruntee that you'll do enough to matter. In melee....well, we don't speak of the horrors that befall gardners, starving artists and muscians and butlers...

Against shooty armies, this will do decently. Killing 120 guardians with shooting is very very hard. Even many assault armies might struggle, as once you kill one unit, you get shot in the face by 40+ shuriken catapults

Here is a fun trick for fitting the HQ.

Give yourself an Autarch with a warp jump generator. but don't take any warp spiders.

That way you have an Autarch who can potentially blow himself up if he tries to activate his WJG! Hilarious. Also if you don't even give him a las blaster he'll only have a 12 inch pistol range, and s3 non power weapon attacks.

That unit is just awful D:

I also agree that the lol super vypers are the best way to burn extra points, but I'd argue against putting Underslung cannons on them. It might give the list too much fire power. So to build on what other people have been posting!

(95) Autarch- Warp Jump Generator
(95) Autarch- Warp Jump Generator

(144) 9 Banshees

(60) 5 Dire Avengers
(60) 5 Dire Avengers

(465) 3 Vypers- Bright Lance, Holofields, Vectored, Star, Spirit Stones
(465) 3 Vypers- Bright Lance, Holofields, Vectored, Star, Spirit Stones
(465) 3 Vypers- Bright Lance, Holofields, Vectored, Star, Spirit Stones

I guess the main challenge is to figure out what is the worst unit in each category.

As for the troops we have plenty of terrible options

Rangers in groups of 5 are mostly useless.
Guardians with bright lance, and a jetbike-mounted enhance-lock sounds terrible, especially if you can max the squad for maximum uselessness.
Storm guardians with no special weapon
Jetbikes, but no cannons and a witch-blade wielding enhance-lock.

The suicide autarchs sound good, but as I understand the challenge, the games will be played in a non-dumb way, so no one would risk getting them killed. I guess the idea of phoenix lords with no aspect might work well. but that requires you to take the DA as troops which are probably less terrible than what I described above.

Fully kitted out vypers is awesome lol.

Illumini's list is pretty damned dire, and I think it'd take the price simply because it sinks so many points into vehicle upgrades - these are the things that makes Vypers worse than Swooping Hawks or Shining Spears.
I would decrease the amount of shots AND Vypers by "upgrading" them all to Star Cannon, though

Adair, you can't give the Warlock a Jetbike if he's an upgrade character for Defenders.

I definitely think a few people are on to stuff with the limited scoring units and bulking out useless other units...

I was rolling some dice and doing some math hammer and I think fully upgraded starcannon vypers (no unerslung upgrade) are pretty terrible all around in regards to performance...

I think the key to a terrible list will be a lack of mobility and ability to deal with mech. Some of these lists that I've seen would fail horribly in a KP mission but still do well in an objective one so who knows, keep the lists coming!

2 squads of guardians at minimal size and no upgrades, a far seer, no upgrades, spend the rest on striking scorpions with no upgrades and footslog them across the board. Worst-List-Ever...

Just a heads up, I want to get all the submissions in by the end of this week for voting, so get onto my blog post and place your list there if you have not already done so! =)

Just giving everyone interested an update in that I played what was voted to be the worst Eldar list and made a battle report on my blog here:
http://yriel.blogspot.com/2012/03/epic-fail.html