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My friend told me that there was something in the FAQ that made it to where the Traveler didn't get to use Mind of the Mac. from the CCB anymore.

Is this True? If so what makes it so?

The only thing I found with regards to Mind in the Machine is that the vehicle can't fire at itself, other than that I don't see what it is that your friend is on about?

maybe you should check the FAQ?

It's in the BRB faq. You can't use non shooting abilities that require LoS out of vehicles.

non-shooting, non-psychic powers.

MitM is neither of these, meaning you have no ability to draw LOS from the vehicle.

So BRB FAQ not Necron?

Yes.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Yes.

I take it you mean this:

Q: Can models embarked upon a vehicle use its fire
points to draw line of sight to a unit to use special
rules or wargear (other than shooting)? (p66)
A: No.

You do realise that it states Fire points, CCB is OPEN topped, so does it still count?

Find any rules in Open Topped allowing you to draw LOS for anything other than shooting.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Find any rules in Open Topped allowing you to draw LOS for anything other than shooting.

Without my Rulebook in front of me is there anything in them that states they don't? So far it only seems to state fire points and they are normally stated in the profile of the vehicle of how many you get (ie: the Rhino has 2), as it specifically states in the FAQ it disallows it from fire points and nothing mentions open topped I'd think it needs to be addressed in another FAQ that takes into account the CCB in that case.

I may be wrong, but it looks like it's permissible still to me.


Edit: Also is there any other vehicles in 40K that you can launch an assault from that you don't have to disembark to initiate other than the CCB?

Edit 2: never mind Sweep attack is not Assault (just checked FAQ) but is there anything similar to it?

Philld77 wrote:Edit: Also is there any other vehicles in 40K that you can launch an assault from that you don't have to disembark to initiate other than the CCB?

If you are referring to a CCB's sweep attacks, those are not close combat attacks, nor do they happen during the assault phase.

And I believe Ork Battlewagon is the answer to the question you were trying to ask.

@philld77 I had the same problem accepting this. We had a heated debate about this in this forum. I ended up asking the faq team about it. Unfortunately OT vehicles are to be treated as one big firepoint. It game me a stroke but since my lists must be legit, I accepted it and moved on. No Anrakyr for me now :(

@foolishmortal: Thanks for that I was having trouble there remembering.

@copper.talos: That being the case it does seem to be a bit of a downer, it seems that the CCB is good for some things but for others it can be disadvantageous to use.

I think there might be an Eldar or DE OT transport with a similar rule, but I am not certain.

The Ork Battlewagon has an option "boarding plank"

Not an Ork player here.. but does the KFF require LOS?

No, it's an area effect.

How does this BRB FAQ affect Solar Pulses?

Also can they be used from inside Night Scythes? They don't require LOS so i would think yes.

Phild - you need permission to do something before you can do it. Thats how the rules are constructed.

There are no rules for drawing LOS from an Open Topped vehicle apart from shooting from it. So even if you dont believe they have firepoints (they have no specific firepoint; that is NOT the same as saying they have NO firepoints) you still need to find permission to draw LOS for non-shooting from an open topped vehicle, having been told you cannot do so using Firepoints

@nosferatu1001: I think copper.talos got a ruling that open topped counts as just one large firepoint, so it sort of makes it pretty clear that it's going to be more like it states in the BRB FAQ, to me if I was playing against someone I would have allowed it, but that was before we got into it.

To be quite honest it hamstrings Anrakyr in one way but all I'd do is disembark him in the next turn after doing a sweep attack then have a go with Mind in the Machine in the next with anything that survived.

Thanks though for your input, it's nice to be able to get others points of view (and in my case learn from my mistakes ).

Does this mean that eldar can't cast guide and fortune inside of a tank?

bladedragon03 wrote:Does this mean that eldar can't cast guide and fortune inside of a tank?

No. The FAQ ruling is about special rules and wargear. It has nothing to do with psychic powers.

bladedragon03 wrote:Does this mean that eldar can't cast guide and fortune inside of a tank?

The BRB FAQ already allows psychic powers inside a vehicle, and for those that need LOS to use firepoints

And neither guide nor fortune need LOS.

Does this rule screw anyone else other than necrons?

Because the Traveler and Nemesor are screwed out of two abilities now if they are in a vec.

Njal comes to mind immediately. And Coteaz.

Is that it? What army are they in?

SW and GK respectively. I don't know about others without looking.

Cant think of any others from the top of my head.

However, the only unit that can benefit from a farseer casting Fortune and Guide would be the unit inside the tank.

You can use guide & fortune on vehicles.

Good point, forgot only Doom cannot be used on a vehicle.