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We talked about it, but I don't think there was a dakka consensus.

Are the hits from a necron C'tan's Gaze of Death ability CC hits? Can you take cover saves from them if you were in area terrain?

Seriously, the other thread is 3 days old.
I don't have the Necron book, but from what I remember it is not a CC hit.

"other blows" defines it as a "blow" and context means "blow" is a close combat attack

The hits don't count towards combat resolution, they do not happen in initiative order, hit friend and foe alike...

That does not say "Oh, of course it's a close combat attack!"

Possible wounds from Gaze of Death happen, in the Assault Phase, "after all other blows" but before combat resolution (granted, it doesn't count towards CR, but GW telling us they don't count means they must happen before).

I would consider it a close combat attack. There are other close combat abilities that can wound friend or foe, Kharn jumps to mind, demon weapons, for that matter as well,

ToBeWilly wrote:Possible wounds from Gaze of Death happen, in the Assault Phase, "after all other blows" but before combat resolution (granted, it doesn't count towards CR, but GW telling us they don't count means they must happen before).

I would consider it a close combat attack. There are other close combat abilities that can wound friend or foe, Kharn jumps to mind, demon weapons, for that matter as well,

And those count for CR. And I'm not convinced that not counting for CR means that they must happen before CR. Unless the Codex says when the attack happens, of course.

Yes but if they happened after combat resolution, and one of the 2 units falls back, how would gaze of death work?

I'll have to bow out, not having the codex to be able to further my argument.

Can't wait for tax money to come so I can re-buy them all. Stupid thieves.

It's OK, I own Eldar and Tyranids. My brother has SM and Tau. Occasionally, my buddy leaves IG and/or GK at my place. I just go off what is posted. People post things wrong, I leap to the wrong conclusion.

Happyjew wrote:It's OK, I own Eldar and Tyranids. My brother has SM and Tau. Occasionally, my buddy leaves IG and/or GK at my place. I just go off what is posted. People post things wrong, I leap to the wrong conclusion.

Yeah - I have been doing the same recently, but I've been "caught wrong" one too many times, and I don't see the rules for GoD posted anywhere... so I'm just going to pass on this.

@ rigeld2

Gaze Of Death
In the Assault phase, after all other blows in the C'tan Shard's
combat have been struck, center the large blast marker on
the C'tan Shard. All other models beneath the marker (friend
or foe) suffer a Strength 3 hit with no armour saves allowed.
If the C'tan Shard causes one or more unsaved Wounds in
this manner, it regains one Wound lost earlier in the battle.
These Wounds do not count towards combat resolution.

The C'tan Shard must be locked into combat in order to use Gaze of Death. You can't use it anywhere else in the game. Therefore, by definition, they are close combat attacks.

ToBeWilly wrote:@ rigeld2
The C'tan Shard must be locked into combat in order to use Gaze of Death. You can't use it anywhere else in the game. Therefore, by definition, they are close combat attacks.

I do think that they are CC attacks (and thus no cover saves), but not because of the above reason. The timing of the attack (before combat resolution) could more to do with making it effective (before people run away).

In the end, it's the "all other blows" phrase that tips the balance for me. It's close though. If my opponent asked for a cover save, I would probably give it, or at least roll.