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I did some looking but couldnt find it in this forum...so this question may be dumb to most of you but...

Can I mix a monstrous creature with a unit of infantry? For example, if I had Eldrad Ulthran with 3 Farseers, can they join an Avatar of Khaine as a unit? I didnt see anything specific in the rulebook.

Independent Characters may never join a unit that always consists of one model.

As far as I know only Carnifexes and Necron Spiders can have an IC join them.

Pg 48 under Independant Characters Joining & Leaving Units:

"Independant Characters are allowed to join other units. They cannot, however, join vehicle squadrons ... and units that always consist of a single model (like most vehicles and Monstrous Creatures). They can join other independant characters though..."

Unless your Avatar is also an IC, you can't join him.

Avatars aren't independent characters and are units that only ever consist of one model so ICs can't join them. Don't have the rule book handy, but it's stated fairly clearly in the rules for joining and leaving units.

Ah that makes sense. Didnt see that one. So Monstrous Creatures are considered single model units only. Thanks!

Captain_Obvious wrote:Ah that makes sense. Didnt see that one. So Monstrous Creatures are considered single model units only. Thanks!

Depends on the MC. See my above examples.

Captain_Obvious wrote:So Monstrous Creatures are considered single model units only. Thanks!

Not all MC are units of only one. Canoptek Spyders, for example, can be a unit of between 1 and 3 models. So, therefore, it is not a unit that can only consist of one model, but still a MC.

My primary reason for asking that question was for my example of Farseer + Warlocks joining Avatar but thanks!

Warlocks aren't ICs. It's the Farseer joining them using the IC rules.

Captain_Obvious wrote:My primary reason for asking that question was for my example of Farseer + Warlocks joining Avatar but thanks!

As above. Warlocks are not 'joined' to the Farseer unless you wish them to be. Warlocks are a separate unit.

Warlocks are bought with the Farseer as a single HQ choice. I do understand they are not IC.

They are a single choice, but nothing compels you to join the warlocks to the farseer ; they are simply a unit you can take that is "unlocked' by taking the farseer, counts in the HQ slot without taking any of the slots up

Nungunz wrote:Independent Characters may never join a unit that always consists of one model.

As far as I know only Carnifexes and Necron Spiders can have an IC join them.

And Hive Tyrants. They are always bought as a unit of 1 model, however, since they can join Tyrant Guards, another IC could technically join the Hive Tyrant.

Happyjew wrote:And Hive Tyrants. They are always bought as a unit of 1 model, however, since they can join Tyrant Guards, another IC could technically join the Hive Tyrant.

That is wrong. Hive Tyrants are not ICs and they are always in units of one. Tyrant Guard are a completely separate entry. Now there's nothing wrong with an IC joining a Tyrant Guard Brood that also has a Hive Tyrant.....but they may not just attach to the Tyrant.

Nungunz wrote:

Happyjew wrote:And Hive Tyrants. They are always bought as a unit of 1 model, however, since they can join Tyrant Guards, another IC could technically join the Hive Tyrant.

That is wrong. Hive Tyrants are not ICs and they are always in units of one. Tyrant Guard are a completely separate entry. Now there's nothing wrong with an IC joining a Tyrant Guard Brood that also has a Hive Tyrant.....but they may not just attach to the Tyrant.

Wait, nevermind...I misread your post.

Nungunz wrote:

Happyjew wrote:And Hive Tyrants. They are always bought as a unit of 1 model, however, since they can join Tyrant Guards, another IC could technically join the Hive Tyrant.

That is wrong. Hive Tyrants are not ICs and they are always in units of one. Tyrant Guard are a completely separate entry. Now there's nothing wrong with an IC joining a Tyrant Guard Brood that also has a Hive Tyrant.....but they may not just attach to the Tyrant.

Wrong. HT are not *always* units consisting of one model, because they can be incorporated into a unit consisting of, in total, 2 - 4 models.

Nos, they changed the way Hive Tyrants and their Guard work in the FAQ. At the start of a game, a Hive Tyrant is either always by itself, and can never join anything, or it is always a member of a Tyrant Guard unit, The unit "Hive Tyrant" always consists of a single model. The unit "Tyrant Guard" either consists of 1-3 Tyrant Guard, or 1-3 Tyrant Guard and a Hive Tyrant.

If a Hive Tyrant can be in a unit that has more models then just the Hive Tyrant, it is not always a unit of one model. Regardless of what it's called.

A Hive Tyrant can be with more models, but more models can't be with Hive Tyrant, if that makes sense.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:A Hive Tyrant can be with more models, but more models can't be with Hive Tyrant, if that makes sense.

The change only limits *when* the HT can join. It does not alter that a Hive Tyrant is not *always* a unit consisting of one model - because it isnt always a unit of one model.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:Nos, they changed the way Hive Tyrants and their Guard work in the FAQ. At the start of a game, a Hive Tyrant is either always by itself, and can never join anything, or it is always a member of a Tyrant Guard unit, The unit "Hive Tyrant" always consists of a single model. The unit "Tyrant Guard" either consists of 1-3 Tyrant Guard, or 1-3 Tyrant Guard and a Hive Tyrant.

Maybe in an older edition. There is nothing that says a HT has to start with the TG and cannot leave later. A HT can join a unit of TG exactly like an IC. This means Turn 2, my HT can join, and Turn 3 leave the unit.

Happyjew, that is not correct.

Whilst the HT joins the guard like an IC, nothing says it can ever leave, so it cannot.

Yeah I guess the "may join a unit of Tyrant Guards exactly as if it were an Independent Character" is what threw me off.

Correct, since that leaves it with no means of leaving.
That is an unrelated rule.

Regarless, the Tyrant is not always a unit consisting of one model.