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Are typhoon speeders with multi meltas any good in a space wolves army? on paper they sound great, but just wanted your oppinion on them.

Yes they are but, not too many that it will take away from your Thunderkittens.

No. either go typhoon with heavy bolter or multi-melta/heavy flamer.

The typhoon want to sit back and fire from a long way away, the multi-melta wants to get within 12".

Not worth it combining the 2 as it creates a confused unit.

Either of the other options are good choices, if you want more firepower instead of thunderwolves.

Jangustus wrote:No. either go typhoon with heavy bolter or multi-melta/heavy flamer.

The typhoon want to sit back and fire from a long way away, the multi-melta wants to get within 12".

Not worth it combining the 2 as it creates a confused unit.

Either of the other options are good choices, if you want more firepower instead of thunderwolves.

This.

The heavy bolter/typhoon is already getting up there @ 90 points for a relatively fragile long range bomber. An extra 10 points reduces the range of the secondary weapon while making it stronger. However, one reason why typhoon speeders are so good is because their fragility can be hard to take advantage of when they are skirting your range and limiting the amount of return fire. The multimelta forces you to abandon this in order to use it.

Multimelta and missile launchers just don't work well on the same vehicle.

If you need more melta, its easier to get elsewhere. The HF/MM speeder is a great unit in its own right. If you want MM on speeders, that is probably your best bet. At least this way you are saving 30 points by using the HF instead of typhoon missiles, and you know that whichever weapon its going to use, you are gonna get right up in your opponent's grill with the unit.

I'd say that MM/Typhoon speeders look poor on paper. I've seen them in practice, and they suffer from exactly the same issues we're describing. The confused range makes it impossible to get full use out of the strengths of the unit.

edit: Even MM//MM would be better than MM/Typhoon.

The MM typhoon works tactically as a dedicated fast moving anti-vehicle unit. You are rarely looking to fire both weapons rather you tend to move 12" and fire one of them 2 Krak missiles will do fine against most vehicles but if you opponent doesn't watch out, at any time you could move 12" forward and fire the MM at a landraider or such.

Personnally, I agree with most of the comments here, a HB Typhoon just seems to make more sense.

Ok, so split the tank buting on my speeders, do you reccomend taking them in squads or as solo units?

A speeder can do a strength 8 tank ram by my reconning. Think of them as expensive hunter killer missiles, but guarenteed accuracy.

Unfortunately, you can only tank shock if you're a tank.

But speeders can block the movement of other vehicles. Parking at 1" away makes the vehicle you're blocking have to back up and drive around. If it tries to ram, you get your 3+ dodge roll, and if you succeed, the vehicle you're blocking stops and can't move.

Flavius Infernus wrote:Unfortunately, you can only tank shock if you're a tank.

No. You can tank ram(which is what I said) or tank shock with any non-walker vehicle.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, Joey, but I know for a fact that a speeder can't ram or tank shock.

The tank shock and ram rules on pages 68 and 69 of the rulebook only apply to tanks, and a speeder is not a tank.

Flavius Infernus wrote:Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, Joey, but I know for a fact that a speeder can't ram or tank shock.

The tank shock and ram rules on pages 68 and 69 of the rulebook only apply to tanks, and a speeder is not a tank.

Well, you learn something new every day.

No harm, no foul

You can't ram a Landraider, but you can block it with three speeders!

Skal098 wrote:Ok, so split the tank buting on my speeders, do you reccomend taking them in squads or as solo units?

Solo units. In 5th edition, you do NOT want to have your AV 10 vehicles in squadrens, as one psy-rifleman dread will kill all in one shot.


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heartserenade wrote:You can't ram a Landraider, but you can block it with three speeders!

QFT.

The best part is when your opponent blasts them apart -- and he will -- then you can even leave some difficult terrain that he might get his LR stuck on.

labmouse42 wrote:

Skal098 wrote:Ok, so split the tank buting on my speeders, do you reccomend taking them in squads or as solo units?

Solo units. In 5th edition, you do NOT want to have your AV 10 vehicles in squadrens, as one psy-rifleman dread will kill all in one shot.

Not really, this is somewhat hyperbole. Squadrons of 2 can generally get a cover save pretty easily or at least move flat out. A psy riflemen is still a great unit and will likely get rolls on the damage table against them, but they don't really have a great chance of "killing all in one shot".

Well, f said speeders are of the MM/HF variety AND they all miss their shots against the LR (happened to me once) at least it won't be able to move. But rules question: would it prevent him from dumping his terminators out if, say, one speeder blocks his assault ramp and the other two is blocking the exit points behind.