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CALEDONIAN HIGHLANDER ARMY
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GROUP 1 (Regs: 7/Irrs: 0):

VOLUNTEER Lieutenant Rifle / Pistol, Knife (8)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:10 PH:11 WIP:12 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
Multiterrain, Lieutenant

VOLUNTEER Rifle / Pistol, Knife (8)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:10 PH:11 WIP:12 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
Multiterrain,

VOLUNTEER Chain Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife (6)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:10 PH:11 WIP:12 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
Multiterrain,

HIGHLANDER GREY AP HMG, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, CCW (40 | 1.5)
MOV:4-4 CC:16 BS:13 PH:13 WIP:12 ARM:3 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Frenzy, No Cube, Linkable
Shock Immunity, V: Dogged

S.A.S. Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, AP CCW (27)
MOV:4-4 CC:17 BS:11 PH:13 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
Martial Arts L2, CH: Camouflage, Infiltration

S.A.S. Chain Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, AP CCW (22)
MOV:4-4 CC:17 BS:11 PH:13 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
Martial Arts L2, CH: Camouflage, Infiltration

WULVER T2 Rifle, Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW (37)
MOV:4-4 CC:18 BS:12 PH:14 WIP:13 ARM:3 BTS:0 W:2
Regular, Frenzy, No Cube, Linkable
Berserk, Natural Born Warrior, Climbing Plus


GROUP 2 (Regs: 0/Irrs: 5):

HIGHLANDER Lieutenant Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW (12 | 1)
MOV:4-4 CC:18 BS:10 PH:14 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Irregular, Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
Berserk, V: Dogged, Lieutenant

3x HIGHLANDER Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW (6)
MOV:4-4 CC:18 BS:10 PH:14 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Irregular, Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
Berserk, V: Dogged

CAMERONIAN 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / AP CCW (22)
MOV:6-4 CC:18 BS:10 PH:16 WIP:12 ARM:3 BTS:0 W:2
Irregular, Impetuous, No Cube
V: Courage, Total Immunity, Super-Jump


200 Points | SWC: 2.5

ARMY CODE: eNozNlI1VDNXM6wxVDMAk0BYY6xmBCRNwWxTNSBdYwZmm6sBZYCkIRppAdRrBABnDhCR
Army Infinity v.3.0. - http://www.devilteam.com

So I've played a couple games with the 1st group, and I want to bump my list up to 200. Is a group with only irregulars, impetuous models ok? I haven't played with any irregular impetuous models but I want to stick to my caledonian theme and the Highlanders do just that. Is the 2nd group legal/worthwhile to buy and paint? If I dont pick up the Galewegians I'll probably go add a Cateran Sniper and Cameronian.

Remember the golden rule of thumb: 8 regualr orders per group. What you have there will work, but it won't be all that great. If you want to start going the Highlanders route I'd highly highly suggest william wallace for his inspirational leadership.

It's a neat demi-horde, and the hidden Lt definitely helps. However, it's a bit short on long-range fire, though your impetuous guys with smoke grenades likely will be able to clear paths for the army. Something I learned from my myrms, though: Snoke is great, but it's not complete insurance: sometimes you -will- roll poorly and get capped and the smoke marker won't get placed.

Is there no way you can try to fit a Zouaves MG or sniper to cover your guys and keep the enemy from moving too freely?

Also just a personal experiance thing, going over 1 combat group is an utter PITA to keep track of.

@Blue, Yeah I don't Think I'm going to go this route. not only do I not have experience with impetuous guys it also seems a little complicated of a list. William Wallace is a great Idea though, I totally forgot about inspirational leadership.

@Sephyr, I am a little concerned with long range fire power. I've only played 150pt games with the models in group one, and the AP HMG and MK12 on the wulver (I add that when playing 150) seem to do me ok. I can't get
Zouaves in my sectorial list though I can get a Cateran with a T2 sniper.

Those in mind how does this look, easier to manage? Keep in mid I've never played over 150.


CALEDONIAN HIGHLANDER ARMY
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GROUP 1 (Regs: 7/Irrs: 2):

VOLUNTEER Lieutenant Rifle / Pistol, Knife (8)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:10 PH:11 WIP:12 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
Multiterrain, Lieutenant

VOLUNTEER Rifle / Pistol, Knife (8)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:10 PH:11 WIP:12 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
Multiterrain,

VOLUNTEER Chain Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife (6)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:10 PH:11 WIP:12 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
Multiterrain,

HIGHLANDER GREY AP HMG, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, CCW (40 | 1.5)
MOV:4-4 CC:16 BS:13 PH:13 WIP:12 ARM:3 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Frenzy, No Cube, Linkable
Shock Immunity, V: Dogged

S.A.S. Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, AP CCW (27)
MOV:4-4 CC:17 BS:11 PH:13 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
Martial Arts L2, CH: Camouflage, Infiltration

S.A.S. Chain Rifle, Grenades / Assault Pistol, AP CCW (23)
MOV:4-4 CC:17 BS:11 PH:13 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
Martial Arts L2, CH: Camouflage, Infiltration

WULVER T2 Rifle, Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW (37)
MOV:4-4 CC:18 BS:12 PH:14 WIP:13 ARM:3 BTS:0 W:2
Regular, Frenzy, No Cube, Linkable
Berserk, Natural Born Warrior, Climbing Plus

CAMERONIAN 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / AP CCW (22)
MOV:6-4 CC:18 BS:10 PH:16 WIP:12 ARM:3 BTS:0 W:2
Irregular, Impetuous, No Cube
V: Courage, Total Immunity, Super-Jump

CATERAN T2 Sniper Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW (29 | 1)
MOV:4-4 CC:17 BS:12 PH:13 WIP:12 ARM:0 BTS:0 W:1
Irregular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
CH: Limited Camouflage, CH: Mimetism, Climbing Plus


200 Points | SWC: 2.5

ARMY CODE: eNozNlI1VDNXM6wxVDMAk0BYY6xmBCRNwWxTNTMgaQZmW4DVGIFIAF2IDGI=
Army Infinity v.3.0. - http://www.devilteam.com


Its only 7 Regular order, but it seems fine to me. Is the cateran good pick?

Much easier to manage and you will find it does a lot better. My main concern is you are taking a sectorial, but not doing a link team... which is 90% of the reason to take one lol.

Keeping with your original theme I'd go with:


CALEDONIAN HIGHLANDER ARMY
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GROUP 1 (Regs: 9/Irrs: 1):

VOLUNTEER Lieutenant Rifle / Pistol, Knife (8)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:10 PH:11 WIP:12 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
Multiterrain, Lieutenant

VOLUNTEER Rifle / Pistol, Knife (8)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:10 PH:11 WIP:12 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
Multiterrain,

2x VOLUNTEER Chain Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife (6)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:10 PH:11 WIP:12 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
Multiterrain,

VOLUNTEER HMG / Pistol, Knife (20 | 0.5)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:10 PH:11 WIP:12 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
Multiterrain,

HIGHLANDER GREY AP HMG, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, CCW (40 | 1.5)
MOV:4-4 CC:16 BS:13 PH:13 WIP:12 ARM:3 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Frenzy, No Cube, Linkable
Shock Immunity, V: Dogged

S.A.S. Chain Rifle, Grenades / Assault Pistol, AP CCW (23)
MOV:4-4 CC:17 BS:11 PH:13 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
Martial Arts L2, CH: Camouflage, Infiltration

S.A.S. Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, AP CCW (27)
MOV:4-4 CC:17 BS:11 PH:13 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
Martial Arts L2, CH: Camouflage, Infiltration

WULVER T2 Rifle, Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW (37)
MOV:4-4 CC:18 BS:12 PH:14 WIP:13 ARM:3 BTS:0 W:2
Regular, Frenzy, No Cube, Linkable
Berserk, Natural Born Warrior, Climbing Plus

CATERAN Sniper Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW (25 | 0.5)
MOV:4-4 CC:17 BS:12 PH:13 WIP:12 ARM:0 BTS:0 W:1
Irregular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
CH: Limited Camouflage, CH: Mimetism, Climbing Plus


200 Points | SWC: 2.5

ARMY CODE: eNozNlI1VDNXM6wxVDMAk4ZIpBGQNAaTpmpmYBIkbgYmjUAkAKw3Dbk= Army Infinity v.3.0.

With this setup you lose the T2 sniper in place of a regular sniper, sucks but not overly. However you gain a 5 man link team with an HMG.

Interesting, I'll try that list in my game tonight and get back to you. I've only used a three man link team so far, but it didn't do much probably because it was just rifle/rifle/chainrifle. I'll try that list.

Yup link teams under 4 man get rather meh. As a 5 man you are shooting that HMG at a BS 13 with 5 shots and the entire team has Sixth Sense level two meaning you'll never be surprised by Camo or smoke.

Link teams take a LOT of getting use to to play well.

I'll be starting later in the year with a Caledonian Sectorial. I'm doing it for fun though so my list isn't at all serious. Remember: "It's not your list, it's you!" Here's my list anyway:


Its very fluffy:

Clan Thomson is a particularly feral Caledonian clan, feral being the operative word. Far from making pariahs of the dog-hybrids, this clan embrace and actively breed them. It is estimated that the hybrids populate up to 40% of the clan although battle forces can often be up to 100% hybrid.
Hybrids born outside the clan are treated even worse than they would be anywhere else in the Sphere. Even the clan hybrids treat them like scum!

Fear not, that list is VERY competitive lol. To have a "non competitve" list you literally have to gimp your own SWC and purposely take stuff that is dumb like an EVO repeater with no hackers.

Otherwise it's very true, it's not the list but rather how you play it.(As long as you have a plan on how to deal with things like TAGs)

The only thing I would considering changing LostSoul is the S.A.S. sniper.

for 36 points you get a S.A.S. sniper
for 29 points you get a cateran T2 sniper w/ +1BS

However you do give up a regular order...just a thought.

for 36 points you get a S.A.S. sniper
- 0.5 SWC
- Camo
- Infiltration
- Regular order

for 29 points you get a cateran T2 sniper w/ +1BS
- 1 SWC
- Limited Camo
- No Infiltration
Irregular Order

Bigger difference there, and personally I'd say the SAS has a slight edge IMO

I agree, Cateran Does have CH: mimitism right? I'll agree they are both costed right for what they give, and that the S.A.S. is awesome. I was just giving him some food for thought.

Yep the Cateran has Limited Camo and Mimetism, so he has the -3 to hit like Camo, deploys camo, and can combat attack (sneak attack) with his camo, but once he reveals he can't got back camo.

Definitely priced perfectly what what they do.

Quick Question regarding William Wallace.

I had WW in a link team with 4 45th rifles. His inspiring Leadership makes the 45th rifles Regular and non-impetuous. But it says when WW causes a wound WW becomes impetuous, but since he is in a linked team does he stays non-impetuous correct?

That's correct, models in Link Teams stay in whatever state they were in.

Haha welcome to one of the most mind bending situations there is. In short you are correct, WW technically goes frenzy impetuous but since he is in a link team he stays non-impetuous and so does everyone else. If he leaves then he and everyone else turns regular/impetuous.

Awesome! Thanks guys.

BlueDagger wrote:Haha welcome to one of the most mind bending situations there is. In short you are correct, WW technically goes frenzy impetuous but since he is in a link team he stays non-impetuous and so does everyone else. If he leaves then he and everyone else turns regular/impetuous.

If he leaves and then causes a wound, you mean? Anything that happens while part of the Link Team is discounted.

Are you are quite right sir. There was a precedence set by Inspirational and frenzy units, but I didn't see that link teams have wording that direcly addresses frenzy.

If you are frenzy and cause a wound while in a link team it doesn't count toward frenzy, period.

Sorry i completely forgot i replied on this thread. As for Cateran vs SAS in my list. I chose the SAS, as you agreed above, for the superior camo. I may revisit the list before i start and push the fluff up another gear by re choosing everything that isn't a hybrid. Caterans would be more fun!

I had Wallace in all of my original lists but dropped him after a while i think i would end up spending the entire time trying to stop everyone running forward. I might put him back in when it comes time for me to revisit that project.

BlueDagger wrote:for 36 points you get a S.A.S. sniper
- 0.5 SWC
- Camo
- Infiltration
- Regular order

for 29 points you get a cateran T2 sniper w/ +1BS
- 1 SWC
- Limited Camo
- No Infiltration
Irregular Order

Bigger difference there, and personally I'd say the SAS has a slight edge IMO

My point here. I don't want to convince anyone but just want to share my point of view.

You are comparing very different units.


The Cateran is a Sniper, it was designed to be like that, even the miniature is designed to be placed in an elevated position in the battlefield and leave it there for the rest of the game. That is how snipers behave in this game. T2 ammo is a nightmare for your enemy, that also counts.



The SAS is a troop designed for being more like a man of action. Yes, he has the option of having an Sniper rifle, but then, why spending points in his "Infiltration" skill? In this game if you really want effectiveness with your sniper rifle you need the as far away of the objective as you can. That is why they have released only the close range weapon models: Boarding Shotgun and Chain Rifle.

That is why units like the Noctifers and the Hexas were made in the expansion book. They realised that the Croc-man and the Malignos were expensive snipers that had the "Infiltration" skill and don't need it when the are equiped with their MULTI sniper rifles.

Finally, I just can talk from my experience: I remember a game where my opponent had a Cateran T2Sniper in a far away tower, he made so much damage to my army, I spent lots of order to kill him. Every time he won a FTF roll my units suffered so much. A SAS sniper with normal ammo wouldn't have cause so much damage, or even represent such a menace that made me cancel many tactical options.

Very concisely put Fett. We were stumbling around the issue without really putting it to rest. May i add that i think the two units would work very well together. Using the SAS to put your opponent on the back foot straight off and forcing him to use different channels of movement than he planned. You can then use the Cateran to watch for him and attack his units as they approach.

I feel bad, i may have derailed the thread somewhat, back to Storm with my sincerest apologies.