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A friend and I recently decided to try out the hobby, and immediately started looking at armies we could collect. He decided on tyranids, and I chose Grey Knights.
After looking on a bunch of forums to see details of how they fight and such, I noticed there is a lot of hate and such associated with them.
So me questions are 1. Will said rage and stuff about GK show itself irl? and 2. Does anyone know a good army list that uses an extremely infantry swarm heavy kind of set up?
And I already ordered a few boxes of minis, so suggesting another army isn't an option.

Hate may spead to real life depending on what you play. Spammy, WAAC costs like Draigowing will get you that, especially because you are a new player and some may think you just jumped the GK bandwagon. However, if you just play nicely, and use the models you want without wanting to Win at all costs, you'll be fine.

I'm afraid you've really chosen the wrong army for a horde of infantry with GK. Infantry, yes, horde, impossible. You will always be outnumbered, but you have some of the best soldiers out there. I would just get some foot troops in general, terminators, purifiers (these are considered spammy when in high numbers), normal grey knights, you know your units better than me. If you're looking for more horde type, as much as is possible with GK, then avoid stuff like dreadknights and LR.

Sumpumpolis wrote:1. Will said rage and stuff about GK show itself irl?

You may or may not get "rage and stuff about GK" IRL, it is not a question we can easily answer.

Some may rage, but some people wont.

Sumpumpolis wrote:2. Does anyone know a good army list that uses an extremely infantry swarm heavy kind of set up?

Swarm Heavy?

The GK's are an elite army so you will most likely be only fielding less models than your opponents.

Best way to put a lot of models on the table would be taking a Crowe Purifier list, backed up by some Psy ammo autocannon dreads, and a vindicare or three to take out tanks.

If your're looking for mobs of infantry go Orks. you can put like 60 Boyz in a single squad for like 500 points and just sweep the table.
plus they're waky as all hell and i love them.

thanks for the info everyone! I guess what I mean by swarm is just as many individual infantry models as would still be even slightly viable.

Sumpumpolis wrote:thanks for the info everyone! I guess what I mean by swarm is just as many individual infantry models as would still be even slightly viable.

as I've said orks. Or if you want swarms and be shooty and a lot of tanks, Imperial Guard.

Gk and mass number of models no way outside of a coteaz henchman list. Orkz Nids and Ig can sport the most models. Though ba and bt can kinda do a horde feel.

nurgl wrote:

Sumpumpolis wrote:thanks for the info everyone! I guess what I mean by swarm is just as many individual infantry models as would still be even slightly viable.

as I've said orks. Or if you want swarms and be shooty and a lot of tanks, Imperial Guard.

He means a foot list, not a swarm army. Read what he says before you answer.

I don't know much about the GK unfortunately, but look at the codex and see what you like. Then grab as many of those units as you want and hey presto, you have an army in the making!

Castiel wrote:

nurgl wrote:

Sumpumpolis wrote:thanks for the info everyone! I guess what I mean by swarm is just as many individual infantry models as would still be even slightly viable.

as I've said orks. Or if you want swarms and be shooty and a lot of tanks, Imperial Guard.

He means a foot list, not a swarm army. Read what he says before you answer.

I don't know much about the GK unfortunately, but look at the codex and see what you like. Then grab as many of those units as you want and hey presto, you have an army in the making!

Well for gk they can do 2 foot lists that can be solid. A terminator list or a paladin list though with the mass of ap 1-2 guns you can get hurt bad since youd need to ds or walk each options gives them at least a round to shoot at you. Orks green tide or kanwall does it a bit better since ap doesnt matter as much to an ork boy. 1 las punches out a pally or a boy all the same cept the boy is 6 pts and the pally at least 55.

Draigo wrote:

Well for gk they can do 2 foot lists that can be solid. A terminator list or a paladin list though with the mass of ap 1-2 guns you can get hurt bad since youd need to ds or walk each options gives them at least a round to shoot at you. Orks green tide or kanwall does it a bit better since ap doesnt matter as much to an ork boy. 1 las punches out a pally or a boy all the same cept the boy is 6 pts and the pally at least 55.

I really don't think that a foot-terminator list can be done effectively outside of Draigowing.

The reason Draigowing performs much better than you'd think it would on paper is mainly due to wound allocation and the presence of Draigo himself, basically eliminating the effectiveness of 1-shot weapons such as Lascannons and the like because you can just throw them on your 3++ eternal warrior 4 wound monster.

Lord Rogukiel wrote:Hate may spead to real life depending on what you play. Spammy, WAAC costs like Draigowing will get you that, especially because you are a new player and some may think you just jumped the GK bandwagon. However, if you just play nicely, and use the models you want without wanting to Win at all costs, you'll be fine.

Why does everyone believe Draigowing to be a most simple, "point and win" army? A list does not make the player.

I myself play Draigowing and I can assure you that I am neither 'spammy' nor 'WAAC'. In fact, I don't even use Dreadnoughts because I can't fit them in at 2000pts and below.


Sumpumpolis,

Grey Knights can be classed as the most elite army in the game right now: the phrase "Quality over Quantity" really encapsulates their playstyle.

Having said that, by playing a Coteaz Henchman list, you can certainly place a good number of models on the table and still have a fun, yet competitive, list.

If you want a true swarm army, perhaps try looking into Orks or IG. Either way, any army in this game is always fun to play.

Iranna.

As a Grey Knight player I never receive "rage", but many times there have been cries of "cheese". I started out with a Draigowing because it appealed to me as a contrast from my large numbers guard list. As for horde you are most definitely screwed. All too many times my paladins have lost combat to 60 hormagaunts (Yes including Draigo) just because of the sheer numbers. Purifiers will probably be a great idea to counter a horde army just because of Cleansing Flame. You will definitely only ever have half the models your opponent will though so just be prepared for that.

@Iranna except the vindicare who is a very real deal with all the gk lists can erase Draigos save, high amount of ap 1-2 around, etc. Problem with a foot draigo wing is ap 2 kills pallys just as easy as a regular termie. Not to mention with the rumors of 6th correcting wound allocation that might be a lot of money spent for a list thats best days are behind it.

I ran a Draigowing in the last tourney I played and biggest issue was just being slow and having a lot invested in a 10 man pally squad. lol


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If you want a walking termie list DA can do it pretty well and get the added benefit of cyclone missile launchers and such that dont make them exchange a weapon.

nurgl wrote:If your're looking for mobs of infantry go Orks. you can put like 60 Boyz in a single squad for like 500 points and just sweep the table.
plus they're waky as all hell and i love them.

pedantic_mode =1

Max of 30 in a mob, and for 180 points. 60 costs you 360. Add the obligatory gubbins and you're talking 255 tops per mob (PK, Boss pole, TL-Shoota and three rokkits).

pedantic_mode =0

Aside from that I'd argue that you can't 'sweep the board' with orks. Boyz mobs are some of the easiest things to kill.

Sumpumpolis wrote:And I already ordered a few boxes of minis, so suggesting another army isn't an option.

nurgl wrote:If your're looking for mobs of infantry go Orks. you can put like 60 Boyz in a single squad for like 500 points and just sweep the table.
plus they're waky as all hell and i love them.

Try a Purifier list, grab some rhinos or something to get them across the board. coupled with a few dreadnoughts you should be good.

Draigo wrote:@Iranna except the vindicare who is a very real deal with all the gk lists can erase Draigos save, high amount of ap 1-2 around, etc. Problem with a foot draigo wing is ap 2 kills pallys just as easy as a regular termie. Not to mention with the rumors of 6th correcting wound allocation that might be a lot of money spent for a list thats best days are behind it.

I ran a Draigowing in the last tourney I played and biggest issue was just being slow and having a lot invested in a 10 man pally squad. lol


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If you want a walking termie list DA can do it pretty well and get the added benefit of cyclone missile launchers and such that dont make them exchange a weapon.

True Vindicares can take an inv. save away, however, Grey Knights in general actually lack AP1-2 weapons and so must rely on rends from Psycannons to fulfil this role. Something which isn't nearly as scary to a paladin as a lascannon or brightlance.

AP2 does not kill Paladins as easily as Terminators, S8 does that. I can take a volley of Eldar Starcannons or IG Plasmas and not lose a single Paladin due to wound allocation. One should never buy things based on rumour alone, if everyone did that, there would be a lot of Dark Eldar Beastmaster units flying around.

The sheer size of the unit should mitigate the speed issue, you're able to cover most of the board with that one unit and provide enough Psycannons shots to make any army cry.

Iranna.

Agreed psycanons arent as a big a threat and neither is ap 2 by itself. I was just tossing out things that can be an issue to walking termies. I havent had the issues with draigowing against tank shock like others have said was a weakness bt str 8 ap 2 stuff and movement were more.

DeathReaper wrote:

Sumpumpolis wrote:And I already ordered a few boxes of minis, so suggesting another army isn't an option.

nurgl wrote:If your're looking for mobs of infantry go Orks. you can put like 60 Boyz in a single squad for like 500 points and just sweep the table.
plus they're waky as all hell and i love them.

Try a Purifier list, grab some rhinos or something to get them across the board. coupled with a few dreadnoughts you should be good.

that sounds like an army i would like the look of on the table, thanks! what kind of hero would lead that sort of force?

Crowe is mandatory for an all purifer list. If you only have them in the elite slot a grandmaster can make them scoring.

As Draigo said, with purifiers you want Crowe as your HQ.

That way the purifiers are troops instead of elites.

One shrike squad near your vehicles could not hurt either, they will stop drop pods from falling close and meltaing your vehicles on turn 1

Iranna wrote:

Why does everyone believe Draigowing to be a most simple, "point and win" army? A list does not make the player.

I myself play Draigowing and I can assure you that I am neither 'spammy' nor 'WAAC'. In fact, I don't even use Dreadnoughts because I can't fit them in at 2000pts and below.

I'd go as far to say that Daigowing is one of the least competitive builds in the GK codex.

Fafnir wrote:

I'd go as far to say that Daigowing is one of the least competitive builds in the GK codex.

I'd certainly agree That Draigowing either does fantastically or absolutely horrendously and is nowhere near as balanced as a Purifier-based list.

I wouldn't say that they were one of the least competitive, but certainly nowhere near the best.

Iranna.