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Trying to write a competitive list for a small tournament happening at my local hobby store.

Fabius Bile or Luicus the eternal ( can't decide which but the oints are the same)

Sorceror, MoS LoS, and melta bombs

10 CSM champion w/ powerweapon + meltabombs and a meltagun

2x 10 CSM champion w/ powerweapon + meltabombs and plasmagun

Havocs, 5 with 3 missile launchers and 1 heavy bolter

Noise Marines, 6 w/ champion, doom siren and meltabombs, 4 sonic blasters and a blastmaster

this hits 1250pts on the nose but im questioning it, with regards to anti tank

someone will always try and get 1 if not 2 landraiders inn a 1250 list to to be annoying

all C&C welome and incouraged!

Thanks in advane :-)

Hey, I just spent a few days going through army review.

1) Land Raiders can be quite the point sink, and they're an open target on the field.

2) For 180 points, get 4 Rhinos with combi-metlas instead. It'll save you a LOT of points. It is vital that you have too many targets for the enemy, and that the enemy can't hit all of them.

3) Khorne Berzerkers. Lots of them. I recommend 2 squads of 8 of these guys, along with 2 squads of 10 normal CSMs, with 2 meltaguns per squad.

4) Obliterators! They deep strike without scatter (assuming you have marks). They are vital to taking out tanks.

5) HQ, I don't recommend Fabius for the risk of having your squads kill each other. My HQs are a Sorcerer with the Mark of Slaanesh/Lash of Slaanesh and a Daemon Prince with wings and the Mark/Lash again. These lashes help to easily move around enemy units. Load the sorcerer into a rhino to get him to the enemy quickly.
NOTE: If you're playing against Tyranids, use both lashes on whatever controls the hive mind in that army. If you move that unit (i.e. the Broodlord) out of mental range, the units that require the hive mind have to run towards it. With a bit of luck and smart strategy, you can force the tyranids to run far away from CC (which means you can use heavy weapons) and blow them all up.

6) A defiler. 72" Range for shooting, 3 attacks for hitting. Perfect. Don't forget the 2 flamers!

i think you mis-understood. i don't want to take landraiders but i bet someone will take one in 1250 ....

obliterators are cool but the metal models suck and i can't green stuff to save my life

i was originally going with huron blackheart but for 10 points less lucius is so much more usefull and deadly

i dont want berserkers beause of the limited abilities of them their great in combat but with nids and eldar aswell as power armour armies standard marines will do better point for point beause of having bolter/bolt pistol and CCW seems abit more flexibile to me..

i would onsider rhinos but where would i get the points.... drop lucius and just have 1 sorceror?

and no marks or icons beause i have no deepstriking units in the army and if i only took 1 defier yes its useful for 150 points but it'll get smashed turn one....

1) Oblits = Cool, everybody loves a wierd mutant gun-thing...except those who get shot by it

2) Drop the champions on the marines, save some points, get 2 meltaguns.

3) Replace your named hero with a daemon prince or drop him altogether. Use the points for rhinos.

4) Berzerkers are useful, no matter what. They can tie up enemy fire. Especially if carried in a rhino.

5) Keep the defieler back then!

6)Use the berzerkers and their marks. It will save you a few turns and you'll win quickly.


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Also, I'm not very good with modelling either...

But surely the champions will help when the enevitible assault occurs?

i ant afford oblit models at the minute so there out of the equation

and why drop the character? surely a charater would be of more use then a large monster??

sorry being picky i know but it helps me understand where your coming from

The lack of support from this forum is encouraging....

Lokki wrote:The lack of support from this forum is encouraging....

The Sarcasm is strong with this one...

I am not in any means the best player, nor do I play in tournies but I will provide my thoughts.

Lokki wrote:
Fabius Bile or Luicus the eternal ( can't decide which but the oints are the same)

If you choose Fabius it would be an idea to make use of his enhanced warriors ability.

Lokki wrote:Sorceror, MoS LoS, and melta bombs

Where will he be?

Lokki wrote:10 CSM champion w/ powerweapon + meltabombs and a meltagun

2x 10 CSM champion w/ powerweapon + meltabombs and plasmagun

You need Rhinos. It's best to have your squads in Rhinos to make them more survivable.

Lokki wrote:Havocs, 5 with 3 missile launchers and 1 heavy bolter

I like Havocs, but run them with an Autocannon over a Heavy Bolter as it can just about pop some lighter armour.

Lokki wrote:Noise Marines, 6 w/ champion, doom siren and meltabombs, 4 sonic blasters and a blastmaster

Need Meal bawkses.

How's this without changing your list too much.

Fabius Bile

Chaos Sorcerer + Mark of Slaanesh + Lash of Submission + Melta Bombs

Chaos Space Marines x 10
Enhanced x 10
Aspiring Champion + Power Weapon + Meltabombs
Plasmagun x 2
Rhino

Chaos Space Marines x 10
Enhanced x 10
Aspiring Champion + Power Weapon + Meltabombs
Meltagun x 2
Rhino

Noise Marines x 6
Champiom + Doom siren + Meltabombs
Blastmaster
Sonic Blaster x 4
Rhino

Havocs x 5
Missile Launcher x 3
Autocannon

That comes in at 1245

That list looks very useful thanks for the input

the manager at my loal store suggested using berserkers over noise marines and big squads if not using rhinos.

plus also means i only need to upgrade one to a champion not 2 with equipment aswell

the example i was given was merge 2 units into a 20 man unit with 2 meltas and 1 champion with goodies

and have a second unit at 20 models but berserkers instead as the 2 units will draw fire between them so the rest of my stuff an get up the board.

the only other probelm i face is getting to models ( lak of funding due to starting a new job ) and i have to get them based and minimum 3 colours on the models....

so i was thinking instead of using fabius ( and potentionally loosing 25% of a squad for the offset) use Kharn and 20 berserkers and just run them at units
and have the shooty CSM squad provide 40+ bolter shots as overing fire

does this work or is it worth looking at a raider with berserkers and kharn and deepstrike some terminators ??


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oh and the sarcasim is a must im english after all

Lokki wrote:That list looks very useful thanks for the input

the manager at my loal store suggested using berserkers over noise marines and big squads if not using rhinos.

plus also means i only need to upgrade one to a champion not 2 with equipment aswell

the example i was given was merge 2 units into a 20 man unit with 2 meltas and 1 champion with goodies

and have a second unit at 20 models but berserkers instead as the 2 units will draw fire between them so the rest of my stuff an get up the board.

the only other probelm i face is getting to models ( lak of funding due to starting a new job ) and i have to get them based and minimum 3 colours on the models....

so i was thinking instead of using fabius ( and potentionally loosing 25% of a squad for the offset) use Kharn and 20 berserkers and just run them at units
and have the shooty CSM squad provide 40+ bolter shots as overing fire

does this work or is it worth looking at a raider with berserkers and kharn and deepstrike some terminators ??

Sure, knock yourself out

is that a "sure its a good plan" or a "it's a good way to get yourself killed" comment?