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Yes, this is another versus thread. This time it's between the historical deities of the 'real world' (Olympians, Titans, Egyptian, Babylonian, Norse, Hindu, and so on, and so on...) and 40k deities. Naturally, His Majesty the Emperor is there, as are the Four Chaos Powers, the Eldar Pantheon, the C'tan, and last, but most badass of all, GORK AND MORK (cue warp storms across both the 'real world' and 40 galaxies). But no, this does not involve the Big G. Otherwise, this thread is gonna get locked down, and I am gonna bash anyone who involves the Big G.

...So, this is how far you guys are going to take it? Had to go all the way to the top, didn't you?

I call god-modding, by the way. None of those shenanigans.





And Kratos kills everyone in the end.

infinite_array wrote:



And Kratos kills everyone in the end.

I'd say Khorne/Gork/Nightbringer kicks Kratos' ass.

I say Tartarus wakes up. All falls.

Elric and Stormbringer..

Wiped out all the gods in his universe.

other wise thread is marvel vs. DC silliness, my god can slap your god, nuh uh!

What is this I don't even.

Anyway, Brahman would solo, unless I misunderstood what you meant by "Hindu".

Um guys, when I meant historical deities, I meant historical deities from historical cultures against 40k deities.

Void__Dragon wrote:What is this I don't even.

Anyway, Brahman would solo, unless I misunderstood what you meant by "Hindu".

Don't involve God and His other other 'identities' from other cultures. That will only cause trouble.

Tadashi wrote:Um guys, when I meant historical deities, I meant historical deities from historical cultures against 40 deities.

Is there some other Hindu religion I am not aware of? I mean, I guess that is possible, but none I am aware of.

Of historical mythology... Well, many ancient cultures did not have a sense of the real scale of the universe, so existence-threatening creatures were relatively unimpressive (Such as Typhon, who Zeus fought and bested by beating him down with a mountain), any C'tan surpasses that in sheer scale.

I can't really say for sure, since the mythology I am most familiar with is Greek, and even then I am by no means an expert.

Void__Dragon wrote:

Of historical mythology... Well, many ancient cultures did not have a sense of the real scale of the universe, so existence-threatening creatures were relatively unimpressive (Such as Typhon, who Zeus fought and bested by beating him down with a mountain), any C'tan surpasses that in sheer scale.

I can't really say for sure, since the mythology I am most familiar with is Greek, and even then I am by no means an expert.

Angron (pre-Heresy) would eat Typhon for breakfast. Although I'm not sure if the demi-gods of mythology can fight the Primarchs who were the sons of a 'living god'.

Uh, I don't know about all that.

Typhon could chuck mountains like they were baseballs.

Void__Dragon wrote:Uh, I don't know about all that.

Typhon could chuck mountains like they were baseballs.

Magnus the Red and Ferrus Manus.

Even before becoming a Daemon Prince, Magnus could twist reality and perform overwhelming sorcery, as evidenced by his battle with Leman Russ. When Ferrus Manus was reunited with his father, the battle to prove the Emperor's worth to Manus destroyed mountains on Medusa. I'm sure though that the demi-gods can't go against the Primarchs. Even Achilles couldn't hope to stand against Horus the Lupercal, and if even he can't fight the Imperial heir, then no demi-god can fight the other Primarchs.

So, basically, 40k owns real (fake) world.

Yay. /thread.

He didn't say anything about Tartarus, I guess Tartarus wins then.

infinite_array wrote:So, basically, 40k owns real (fake) world.

Yay. /thread.

Great discussion...

King Pariah wrote:He didn't say anything about Tartarus, I guess Tartarus wins then.

I can't help it, but I keep reading that as 'Tartar Sauce'. Too much Warmachine, I guess.

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:Elric and Stormbringer..

Wiped out all the gods in his universe.

other wise thread is marvel vs. DC silliness, my god can slap your god, nuh uh!

Wikipedia-ed that (relatively young poster is relatively young). Ah, so that's the Moorcock that GW ripped off. Interesting. I'll have to read at least the original series.

Tadashi wrote:

infinite_array wrote:So, basically, 40k owns real (fake) world.

Yay. /thread.

Great discussion...

It's not a discussion. It's someone offering up example of historical deities, and then being shot down thanks to 40k's overall 'over-the-top-take-it-to-12-cause-11-ain't-high-enough'ness.

Now, if we brought the Big G in? Eeeey, now THERE'S a discussion.

'Magnus?'
'God.'
'Uhm... Khorne?'
'Nope. God.'
'Slaanesh?'
'Jesus. Gotta keep that pimp hand strong, you know?'
'But he's not-'
'Holy Trinity.'
'Oh. Damn. Gork and Mork?'
'Holy Ghost.'
'Wait, what's tha-'
'God.'
'God damn it!'
'Exactly! Now you're getting it.'

Of course, this is coming from a Roman Catholic raised, turned one-step-away-from-atheist/deist guy who honestly couldn't care less about religions apart from the fact that the older civilizations seemed to have much more interesting deities to worship. I'm sure there are practicing members of all facets of the Abrahamic religions that would love to shoot down any 40k deity with whatever variation of the Big Guy that they happen to worship.

The Four Powers against the Olympians and others then. That's gonna be a huge battle. Although it'll leave Terra in ashes.

But the Primarchs can't fight deities. Not even the Daemon Primarchs could confront them. So it'll be deity vs. deity. And the outcome's not gonna be clear.

Duuuuuuuuuuuuddddeeee.... Are you kidding?

Slaanesh and Aphrodite would be talking about boys, make up, and making some awesome, errrrr.... Films. (and Zeus would be trying to sneak in on the action)

Ares and his daughters would kick it off with Khorne

Tzeentch and Apollo would be cackling in the corner about how things are going "just as planned," while Athena would be grumbling about stupid boys.

Really the only battling would be between team Poseidon and Apollo, and team Nurgle as Poseidon is known for creating life and I believe Apollo is also a god of medicine whereas Nurgle is about death, decay, and disease. But once they all realize that they're all for fatherly love (to varying degrees) they'd probably chill and have some beer and play some cards.

The problem then is the distinct difference in scale.

The deities of ancient societies were 'usually' much more human, since - as Void said - their perceptions of 'existence' was so much smaller. To them, picking up a mountain was a big deal. So was slaying ice giants, or traveling in and out of the underworld, or finding/creating magical stuff. Some of them even died in their own legends!

The Big Four of the 40kverse were created only recently, and are extremely Lovecraft-ian in nature. Inhuman, unknowable things that merely looking upon them is enough to undo creation itself. It's like telling two people to fight, only you've given the one guy a tank and all the training to use it, and the other guy has a slingshot that you haven't even bothered to put a rock in.

King Pariah wrote:But once they all realize that they're all for fatherly love (to varying degrees) they'd probably chill and have some beer and play some cards.

Which, of course, Tzeentch would cheat at, causing Khorne to ragequit.

And what of the Emperor? He claims the Throne of Mankind, with Legions of Astartes and Titans (as the Omnissiah) behind him, so the Olympians and others won't like him either. Gork and Mork still remain to be considered, as do the C'tan and the Eldar Pantheon.

You said 4 powers vs. Olympians. I assumed you meant the 4 ruinous powers. Not the Emperor and Gork and Mork.

King Pariah wrote:You said 4 powers vs. Olympians. I assumed you meant the 4 ruinous powers. Not the Emperor and Gork and Mork.

Yes, I meant the Powers of Chaos. But the previous post (very amusing ) answered (for now) the Olympians vs. the Powers.

The Emperor would try to destroy the Olympians since their power was derived from belief also. This raises an interesting question: did the Olympians and others exist during Age of Progress? And did the Emperor, under one of his many identities, during the Golden Age of Technology, get rid of them by turning Mankind completely to scientific and technological progress?

If you're bringing in all the Gods of 40k, I say make available all of Greco-Roman Mythology. Doing that, I go back to my original vote that an awoken Tartarus crushes all.

King Pariah wrote:If you're bringing in all the Gods of 40k, I say make available all of Greco-Roman Mythology. Doing that, I go back to my original vote that an awoken Tartarus crushes all.

WHAT is Tartarus? The curiosity is killing me.

The Moirae would kick anyone's ass, as would Chronos and Ananke (or, if we want to be silly, Khaos). In Nordic mythology there's Baldr or the three norns, and Hinduism has Shiva the Destroyer.

Then there's the Aztec pantheon, which I am convinced includes the Chaos Gods. Sacrificing pyramids of skulls to the Gods, ripping the living hearts out of people and drinking their blood is pretty grim dark. "The feathered serpent" also sounds suspiciously familiar...

Tartarus is one of three(?) original beings that arose from chaos in Greek mythology. And apparently the more powerful the being in, the more it slumbers. Tartatus... Well I can't recall a time he was awake but asleep he fathered the giants that challenged the gods and I believe Typhon and created the Greek equivalent to hell. So imagine hell, imagine that hell as it is now is a sleeping deity. Now imagine it waking up. Yeah, I think Tartarus wins.

Look, if the Klingons could wipe out their gods, surely gods fightling each other is just asking for a bonkers inter-dimentional battle that no-one will really win.

Also, Gork and Mork would monkeystomp all of 'em.

King Pariah wrote:Tartarus is one of three(?) original beings that arose from chaos in Greek mythology. And apparently the more powerful the being in, the more it slumbers. Tartatus... Well I can't recall a time he was awake but asleep he fathered the giants that challenged the gods and I believe Typhon and created the Greek equivalent to hell. So imagine hell, imagine that hell as it is now is a sleeping deity. Now imagine it waking up. Yeah, I think Tartarus wins.

Then again Gaia, his sister, hasn't been very successfull, has she?

AlmightyWalrus wrote:The Moirae would kick anyone's ass, as would Chronos and Ananke (or, if we want to be silly, Khaos). In Nordic mythology there's Baldr or the three norns, and Hinduism has Shiva the Destroyer.

The Eldar Pantheon would match them in numbers, while Khaine and Shiva would be fighting pretty equally. Time is pretty much meaningless in the warp, so Chronos can't really use his advantage. As for Khaos, well then, by the Greek definition, that would be the warp itself. If that's the case, then the Oldcrons warp-warding technology could be useful.

Then there's the Aztec pantheon, which I am convinced includes the Chaos Gods. Sacrificing pyramids of skulls to the Gods, ripping the living hearts out of people and drinking their blood is pretty grim dark. "The feathered serpent" also sounds suspiciously familiar...

Khorne and Tzeentch...or maybe that feathered serpent's just a Lord of Change since Tzeentch doesn't seem to like assuming a fixed form for a fixed set of time.

Gaia has never been one to get her hands dirty, she's manipulative, never done anything herself except get preggers. I'm pretty sure Tartarus, the embodiment of hell has no problems with getting his hands dirty and doing things himself.

Tadashi wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:The Moirae would kick anyone's ass, as would Chronos and Ananke (or, if we want to be silly, Khaos). In Nordic mythology there's Baldr or the three norns, and Hinduism has Shiva the Destroyer.

The Eldar Pantheon would match them in numbers, while Khaine and Shiva would be fighting pretty equally. Time is pretty much meaningless in the warp, so Chronos can't really use his advantage. As for Khaos, well then, by the Greek definition, that would be the warp itself. If that's the case, then the Oldcrons warp-warding technology could be useful.

Not sure about Khaine matching Shiva. I'd say that dancing the Universe into oblivion is a bit more powerful than simply being the God of War. Chronos would still be unbeatable because he IS time. If he's in the warp there'd be time in the warp.

Then there's the Aztec pantheon, which I am convinced includes the Chaos Gods. Sacrificing pyramids of skulls to the Gods, ripping the living hearts out of people and drinking their blood is pretty grim dark. "The feathered serpent" also sounds suspiciously familiar...

Tadashi wrote:Khorne and Tzeentch...or maybe that feathered serpent's just a Lord of Change since Tzeentch doesn't seem to like assuming a fixed form for a fixed set of time.

Well, now that Genghis Khan is ruled out as Doombreed, I'd say Moctezuma is the prime candidate. Them Aztecs were scary!