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Saw this on twitter. Wow. Is this how people really feel?!

http://minicannuck.6sided.net/2012/02/06/games-workshop-the-straw-that-broke-the-camels-back/

No, not at all. Evidenced by the fact that Dakka is a GW love fest.

Slightly OT, but connected to his LoTR problem, there are thes guys, http://www.mithril.ie/ The Mithril range has been around for years.

If prices continue to rise people are eventually going to stop seeing it as matching what they get for their cash and to stop.

I dislike the prices too (I wish they were as cheap as that article ), I used to counter this by getting stuff shipped from the UK. They countered with an Embargo, I didn't stop completely I ended up slowing a fair amount (I still like the setting); moving onto other system I would have just glanced at before. In a way it was a good thing, as it helped me find out how much I like Malifaux.

Of course there is always still Ebay, and if the FineCast complaints were 100% accurate grabbing some models that look like they were the result of throwing glue into a bits box is a bargain.

davidjones wrote:Saw this on twitter. Wow. Is this how people really feel?!

Is that a joke?

There are many people who feel this way. There are people who haven't left the hobby yet, but who refuse to purchase Finecast (me being one of those), there are people who have stopped purchasing their range and then there are people who have dropped GW altogether.

To say "is this how people really feel?" is a little limiting. There are so many shades of grey that it is hard to pinpoint, but as Games Workshop keeps increasing prices well above inflation and seems to no longer care about its fanbase or their target market, they will see more and more people like this.

The people that actually voice that they are leaving are easy to gauge - it's the people that simply stop buying and don't tell anyone - the people that just stop showing up to the gaming group or the people that quietly sell all of their stuff that many people (and, it seems GW) don't consider.

davidjones wrote: Is this how people really feel?!

Personally, pretty much yes. A pricehike while switching to a cheaper medium while (falsely)declaring it to be the best in the world will upset people. Not increasing the quality very much after obvious issues with the release did not help. I know people have gotten perfect finecast models, but you should not be paying premium to play Russian Roulette.

As a WotR player, I'm very, very upset about GW's hidden price hike on the LotR models.

infinite_array wrote:No, not at all. Evidenced by the fact that Dakka is a GW love fest.

Considering how many redundant GW hate threads that have come up over the past few months, I can't totally agree.

This isn't how everyone feels, but quite a few folks are disenfranchised by the lack of communication, high prices, and lack of support for their given army or game. Australians especially, considering their prices are beyond ludicrous. I'm personally not super happy with how GW, but I still love the game and the models.

davidjones wrote:Saw this on twitter. Wow. Is this how people really feel?!

http://minicannuck.6sided.net/2012/02/06/games-workshop-the-straw-that-broke-the-camels-back/

You're obviously new to dakka. I suggest reading people's sigs during your stay here as they can generally help you determine people's feelings on the matter. Love/Hate GW relationships are quite common.

puma713 wrote:

davidjones wrote:Saw this on twitter. Wow. Is this how people really feel?!

Is that a joke?

There are many people who feel this way. There are people who haven't left the hobby yet, but who refuse to purchase Finecast (me being one of those), there are people who have stopped purchasing their range and then there are people who have dropped GW altogether.

To say "is this how people really feel?" is a little limiting. There are so many shades of grey that it is hard to pinpoint, but as Games Workshop keeps increasing prices well above inflation and seems to no longer care about its fanbase or their target market, they will see more and more people like this.

The people that actually voice that they are leaving are easy to gauge - it's the people that simply stop buying and don't tell anyone - the people that just stop showing up to the gaming group or the people that quietly sell all of their stuff that many people (and, it seems GW) don't consider.

Agreed. I'm also in the "Refuse to purchase Finecast" crowd. And as I read that post, I was nodding along. It expresses a lot of the same feelings I experience when thinking about GW. I'm not to the final kick 'em to the curb stage... yet.

My arguement - fear - is that the price to buy into the hobby will turn people off especially combined with over the top codexes releasing and changing the landscape.

So say you want to build an army but are not sure what. So you investigate and eventually buy your codex. $30. Now you assemble your army in your mind. $300 to $500.
So you determine it will take you over a year to aquire, assemble and paint your army. Now comes the risk, you have 3 to 4 new codexes releasing BEFORE you have fielded your army. Say the 3rd codex changes the gaming landscape to the point that your now $200+ investment is null and void. So now what? Do you drop what you started and go back to square one? Do you finish it off and promptly get your butt handed to you? OR - do you get disgusted and just give up. Perhaps purchase and paint the figs you like but decide that playing the game is pointless or less than satisfying.

For an old man with disposable income, I can weather the storm and build or rebuild my army. But for the young kid who has less to invest, it will drive him out.

Now add to that finecast... I have a practical problem. I have a goblin/orc army and on paper I want to Mangler Squigs. Now they have them but they are in finecast. $60 a piece. I know they will have quality issues and the sculpt has two small legs holding up the big ball of the body and then stack the 2nd squig on top of the 1st. From previous experience, finecast doesn't deal well with weight and it will droop. Hmmm $120 bucks for two less than spectacular quality molds that have a high potential of wilting. Sign me up?

DAaddict wrote:My arguement - fear - is that the price to buy into GW product will turn people off especially combined with over the top codexes releasing and changing the landscape.

Changed that for you.

GW are not 'the hobby'.

Wow. $16.00 for a single Goblin and $39.00 for a Ring Wraith....

I don't know how GW plans on moving much of that product. I would never consider buying it at those prices.

I think the opinion in the link is very representative of people's sentiment towards GW, if anything its better written, toned down, and avoids the flawed arguements that people often make.

GW got away with its prices because it had consistent good quality. It got away with raising its prices every other year at ~20% increments, for over a decade. It takes a lot of respect for a product line for people to put up with that. I personally haven't had problems with Finecast, but I know others have and thats their biggest failure. They went from high quality with matching prices, to inconsistent quality at those same above market prices. GW's been hemoraging sales volume for the last three years, showing they've already reached the point where raising prices results in a loss. They only made a profit the last two years because they have licencing agreements with FFG for RPGs and other games and THQ for computer games. That underscores a shrinking demand of their products. They should be incredibly worried. I think the linked blog is just one out of thousands of examples of discontent customers and hobbyists.

I think a lot of new players don't realise how expensive GW models now look compared with a few years ago or especially compared with models and games from other companies. If you are new to gaming and know about GW, you have nothing to compare it with, so you just accept it.

As a long time wargamer when you go into the GW shop and find that GW models cost between 33% and 300% more than most other wargame models, there is a massive sticker price shock.

Citadel always used to be somewhat more expensive but the differential has increased, and so has the cost to buy a complete army with appropriate rules and books. If you are aware of the alternatives, it creates a cost/benefit balance which looks bad for GW games.

For instance, if you play want to play 15mm ancients you can set up nicely in De Bellis Antiquitatis (rulebook, lists and two matched armies) for about £75. Buying GW, that much would get you the rules, one army book and a single unit.

Did we need another GW price thread? Three on the first page of Dakka Discussions.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/426923.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/426354.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/422484.page

pretre wrote:Did we need another GW price thread? Three on the first page of Dakka Discussions.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/426923.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/426354.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/422484.page

I would say this was more of a dicussion of a person's blog and the general feel of the public/how they relate. Also, this has to do with the recent LotR release and their reaction to the price increase.

I think it is more productive to discuss different topics (even if they're of similar nature) in different threads rather than trying to combine everything about one topic into one thread and stifle discussion. (If this was at the end of a 10-page thread, I would've missed it.)

puma713 wrote:

pretre wrote:Did we need another GW price thread? Three on the first page of Dakka Discussions.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/426923.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/426354.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/422484.page

I would say this was more of a dicussion of a person's blog and the general feel of the public/how they relate. Also, this has to do with the recent LotR release and their reaction to the price increase.

I think it is more productive to discuss different topics (even if they're of similar nature) in different threads rather than trying to combine everything about one topic into one thread and stifle discussion. (If this was at the end of a 10-page thread, I would've missed it.)

Fair enough, although not even a single quote from the blog was ill-done and smells of hit generating.

GW's prices are high. It is a luxury. There are reasons for some increases and no reasons for others. The worldwide price differentials are silly. Longtime players are publicly professing their leaving of the game(s) because of price/other factors. Other players are still playing because it doesn't bother them. I get it. I just wonder how many different ways we need to approach the same topic.

puma713 wrote:

davidjones wrote:Saw this on twitter. Wow. Is this how people really feel?!

Is that a joke?

There are many people who feel this way. There are people who haven't left the hobby yet, but who refuse to purchase Finecast (me being one of those), there are people who have stopped purchasing their range and then there are people who have dropped GW altogether.

To say "is this how people really feel?" is a little limiting. There are so many shades of grey that it is hard to pinpoint, but as Games Workshop keeps increasing prices well above inflation and seems to no longer care about its fanbase or their target market, they will see more and more people like this.

The people that actually voice that they are leaving are easy to gauge - it's the people that simply stop buying and don't tell anyone - the people that just stop showing up to the gaming group or the people that quietly sell all of their stuff that many people (and, it seems GW) don't consider.

True to the that

davidjones wrote:Saw this on twitter. Wow. Is this how people really feel?!

I'll make it simple for you.
This is exactly how many people feel!

I'm one of them and agree with the linked article's points regarding GW.
Again, stated simply.
Pay more, get less, go elsewhere.

If you want to know how people really feel, you'll have to set up several surveys, taking pains to ensure that you get a good cross-section of gamers. Getting something that is scientifically accurate would be VERY difficult to do.

Otherwise, all we really have is anecdotal evidence, and as a wise man once said, "The plural of anecdote is not data".

I don't know anyone who pays full price a on regular occasion for GW product. Now I will buy some models from my LFGS from time to time to help support their business and provide my self with a place to play. However the place I go has about 2 auctions a year where in exchange for store credit the store will sell your used game products and keeps the cash. I have bought several models at this auction and find my self getting $200 worth of GW product for about $50. If I plan on buying in bulk I will buy from a discounter. I have an advantage living in Saint Louis that I can drive to the Miniature Market store front and buy directly from them without having to wait for shipping ect... however then i have to pay Tax (LAME) so if I'm buying enough to get free shipping I just have them ship it to my house. If you live in the states I would check them out. They are always great in customer service and will keep in touch with you.

https://www.miniaturemarket.com/

That is their web sight you have to e-mail them for an order form, but they tend to handle your order fast.

I have not purchased a model since the went to finecast.

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