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I was wondering...if you use arjac's thor hammer throw...(which basically tosses a thunder hammer at an enemy) it lowers the targets initiative to one as per thunder hammer rules...so my question is:

can a target with a modified initiative be forced to take an initiative test that is modified? Or would it be the normal initiative listed in it's profile instead....hope you know what I mean

IIRC, all characteristics tests are taken on unmodified value (with some exceptions to Ld). Unfortunately I cannot find where that is stated.

Youre wrong, happyjew

ALL characteristics tests are taken on your characteristic, by default. Page 8

Sweeping Advance is on unmodified initiative

Yes, this means you can try to drop someone to I1 then Jaws them

Hey nos...where could I find that on paper so I don't piss anyone off when I try this

Page 8, as I said. Notice anything in there stating "unmodified"? No? Then you take the test on your current value.

This is an expensive combo that is a bit too risky to justify the reward, imo.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Youre wrong, happyjew

ALL characteristics tests are taken on your characteristic, by default. Page 8

Sweeping Advance is on unmodified initiative

Yes, this means you can try to drop someone to I1 then Jaws them

nosferatu1001 wrote:Page 8, as I said. Notice anything in there stating "unmodified"? No? Then you take the test on your current value.

Wait. . . you just contradicted yourself. Which is it?

BeRzErKeR wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Youre wrong, happyjew

ALL characteristics tests are taken on your characteristic, by default. Page 8

Sweeping Advance is on unmodified initiative

Yes, this means you can try to drop someone to I1 then Jaws them

nosferatu1001 wrote:Page 8, as I said. Notice anything in there stating "unmodified"? No? Then you take the test on your current value.

Wait. . . you just contradicted yourself. Which is it?

No he didn't. You're reading "taken on your default characteristic" when he said "your characterstic, by default". Meaning, by default (always) you take it on what your value is, unless you're told to take it on the "unmodified" value.

As Puma said. I didnt contradict myself

Oh, wait, you were talking about Jaws. D'oh. I was thinking of SA.

Never mind me.

Here is another question...can a lone wolf be drop podded in?

WillyBRags wrote:Here is another question...can a lone wolf be drop podded in?

Well, can a Lone Wolf buy a drop pod?

Guess not...just wondering cause some people say you can drop in empty drop pods...but I'm guessing they are bought by the unit and not filled

Yeah, you drop empty pods by buying them for units and not deploying them in them... But you can't put other units into them, as they are dedicated transports.

Lone wolves should never deeapstrike anyway

Langston128 wrote:Lone wolves should never deeapstrike anyway

Correction: Lone Wolves should ALWAYS deepstrike

thats why I get a basic razorback from my longfangs, to act as the lone wolves transport.

You can't put a lone wolf in a drop although I wish you could!