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So i was wondering, lets say i have 5x crypteks and 2x lords... Then i have 3x units of warriors (as an example) and assign 1x cryptek to each unit of warriors. This leaves 2x warriors and 2x lords... Would they be a royal court or since ive already split the court the other members NEED to be assigned to units? I believe you can take select members and distribute them, but you can keep the remaining as part of the court. Wanted to confirm it while making some lists and wanted to make sure im not doing anything illegal

Any member of the court that does not split off stay with the court.

Thats what i thought just wanted to make sure you didnt have to choose all or none with split them apart or keep them together

Another question here. Could the royal court then join say a group of lychguard or not? I am not a necron player but there is a necron player at my flgs that does this and will be fr an upcoming tournemant.

Sorry for the thread hijack.

You can join one model from each court, but not the "leftover court" if that makes sense.

Ok thanks I'll direct him to this thread sometime later.


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Is there anything to back this up just so I have some more solid evidence?

Theyre not ICs, so have no permission to join other units *except for* the allowance for 1 member of a court to join specific unit X from a list of allowable units Y

redkeyboard wrote:
Is there anything to back this up just so I have some more solid evidence?

Yes, page 90 of the Necron Codex.

Remember that each royal court member can lead a different unit.

You could have 2 crypteks, 1 from each of 2 different courts, join a unit of warriors.
But you could not have 2 crypteks, or 2 lords or a cryptek and a lord from the same royal court join any unit together.

I'm the guy redkeyboard is on about. I know what my dex says and thought the same thing, but the situation wasn't FAQ'd, so there is no proof either way.

Also, what I actually do is branch one cryptek to a unit of warriors and the "leftover" court remains with the Overlord. This Overlord (and by extension the court) then joins the lychguard squad.

But as I have two overlords in the army list I can cheese up/jumble around to make it "legal" if it is "illegal".

IHateNids wrote:I'm the guy redkeyboard is on about. I know what my dex says and thought the same thing, but the situation wasn't FAQ'd, so there is no proof either way.

Also, what I actually do is branch one cryptek to a unit of warriors and the "leftover" court remains with the Overlord. This Overlord (and by extension the court) then joins the lychguard squad.

Which is illegal. Because the Royal Court are NOT ICs. As I posted. It doesnt need to be FAQ'd, as this is against the rules already - in so much as you dont have permission to join a non-IC to another non-IC unit.

IHateNids wrote:I'm the guy redkeyboard is on about. I know what my dex says and thought the same thing, but the situation wasn't FAQ'd, so there is no proof either way.

Well, there is - it's pretty plain in the codex.

Also, what I actually do is branch one cryptek to a unit of warriors and the "leftover" court remains with the Overlord. This Overlord (and by extension the court) then joins the lychguard squad.

That's the illegal part.

The Royal Court is a unit, just like the Lychguard. The Overlord can choose to join one or the other (iirc - he's an IC)- they aren't a Retinue.

But as I have two overlords in the army list I can cheese up/jumble around to make it "legal" if it is "illegal".

Essentially, as long as you only have 2 court members joined to any squad it comes out to be legal.

No need for a faq. It is straight illegal to have a Royal Court joined with anything but ICs.

ok talos that's trash. The necron dex open in front of me right now says "before the battle, each member of the royal court has the option to be split off from his unit and assigned to lead a different unit from: Warriors, Immortals, Lychguard or Deathmarks"

It does go on to say "only one member from[i]each royal court[i/] can lead a unit this way. otherwise they stay in the court" which I suppose sort of means "only one dude from court A can join unit B, but a guy from Court B can join Unit B aswell".



But the question is can a IC w/ court join a unit with his whole court?

IHateNids wrote:But the question is can a IC w/ court join a unit with his whole court?

The IC doesn't have a court. You're trying to make them one unit when there's nothing allowing that.
They are not a Retinue. The Royal Court unit is just like a unit of Immortals.

Yes you can take one lord/cryptek from each court and join them to a unit. This is legal

IHateNids wrote:
Also, what I actually do is branch one cryptek to a unit of warriors and the "leftover" court remains with the Overlord. This Overlord (and by extension the court) then joins the lychguard squad..

You may not like it, think it's trash, but it's straight illegal

Immortals can't be split up. the best thing to compare to would be SW wolf guard (I think thats what they're called)

And are you saying if I leave the Court with the Overlord that summoned them that is a unit?

"But the question is can a IC w/ court join a unit with his whole court? "

No. Because the Royal Court are NOT IC#s, and thus have no permission to join another unit - only their members do

As i've posted 3 times now...

The overlord is one unit, the Royal Court is another. You can have the Royal Court start joined to the overlord, have them separated and join them later, keep one in reserves and deploy the other etc. They are independent of each other ingame.

IHateNids wrote:Immortals can't be split up. the best thing to compare to would be SW wolf guard (I think thats what they're called)

And are you saying if I leave the Court with the Overlord that summoned them that is a unit?

No.

I'm saying that the Royal Court is a unit. Immortals are a unit.
You can remove Royal Court members from that unit and place them with other units, but the "leftovers" are still a separate unit.
The Overlord can join a Royal Court unit, an Immortal unit, a Deathmark unit...
He cannot bring two units together somehow - that's the illegal part.


I feel like you're treating the Royal Court as some kind of wargear when it's just another unit that doesn't take up FOC slots.

IHateNids wrote:But the question is can a IC w/ court join a unit with his whole court?

You have to look at the first sentence in the royal court entry on page 90.

It says you can include a royal court for each overlord in your army. It also says that "This unit does not take up an HQ choice."

The royal court is a unit in it's own right. It is not joined with or to an overlord.

This is reinforced by the line saying each member of the royal court can be "...split off from his unit..." so again, the royal court is a unit in and of itself.

The overlord, or any other necron IC for that matter, can join with the royal court unit, but the royal court unit cannot join with any unit other than an IC, any more than any other troop or elite or fast attack unit.

I just thought that a Royal Court was a unit with the Overlord that summored it and then can be split up, as opposed to having to form a Unit with the Overlord

IHateNids wrote:I just thought that a Royal Court was a unit with the Overlord that summored it and then can be split up, as opposed to having to form a Unit with the Overlord

No. The Royal Court is a separate unit that is "unlocked" by the Overlord, but the Overlord can completely ignore them if you want.

Ok I get it now, I think.
Gonna have to seriosly jiggle stuff round to make setup legal.

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I was under the impression that you could only have a max of 5 in a royal court. If I'm not mistaken, it addresses that in the codex, but I don't have mine on me right now.
But yeah, they can join any unit as far as I am aware.

5 in one royal court, 5 in the other.

iGuy91 wrote:I was under the impression that you could only have a max of 5 in a royal court. If I'm not mistaken, it addresses that in the codex, but I don't have mine on me right now.
But yeah, they can join any unit as far as I am aware.

You can take up to 5 crypteks and 5 lords per royal court, a total of up to 10 models per royal court, up to twenty models on two royal courts is completely legal.

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this is correct