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2012/02/13 04:26:39
Subject: Disembark from a surrounded vehicle
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Vehicle is surrounded by enemy models. The vehicle is then wrecked. Since I am allowed to disembark up to 2" from the vehicle, I can just jump through the enemy and be exactly 1" from them.
Nowhere in the rulebook is disembarking a moving. Is this RAW?
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2012/02/13 04:30:42
Subject: Disembark from a surrounded vehicle
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Dour Wolf Priest with Iron Wolf Amulet
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From what I understand, as long as you're 2" from the vehicle and 1" away from an enemy, you should be good.
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2012/02/13 04:44:58
Subject: Disembark from a surrounded vehicle
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Making Stuff
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No, you can't disembark through the enemy models. This is clarified in the Rulebook FAQ.
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2012/02/13 06:00:45
Subject: Disembark from a surrounded vehicle
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The rulebook FAQ also clarifies that disembarking is movement, though that's pretty clear even just with the rulebook.
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2012/02/13 12:53:49
Subject: Disembark from a surrounded vehicle
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It's easy to mistake the emergency disembarking "If any models cannot disembark because of enemies.." as providing an exception. When all it actually does is let the unit inside disembark without using an access point. So I think the FAQ is helpful.
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2012/02/13 16:58:38
Subject: Disembark from a surrounded vehicle
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Resentful Grot With a Plan
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Just for reference, where does it say disembarking is moving?
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2012/02/13 17:03:52
Subject: Disembark from a surrounded vehicle
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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I don't think it does but page 5 (right column) of Rulebook FAQ answer this. Short answer is: NO, you are dead if the vehicle is Wrecked and you are surrounded.
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2012/02/13 17:09:47
Subject: Disembark from a surrounded vehicle
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Heroic Senior Officer
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JBW wrote:Just for reference, where does it say disembarking is moving?
Well, there's the main rules FAQ:
Q: If a transport vehicle is completely surrounded can a
unit inside disembark by moving through the enemy
models? (p67)
A: No. Models that disembark are still subject to the
normal movement rules regarding moving through
other models as per page 11.
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2012/02/13 17:11:56
Subject: Disembark from a surrounded vehicle
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Plaguelord Titan Princeps of Nurgle
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don_mondo wrote:JBW wrote:Just for reference, where does it say disembarking is moving?
Well, there's the main rules FAQ:
Q: If a transport vehicle is completely surrounded can a
unit inside disembark by moving through the enemy
models? (p67)
A: No. Models that disembark are still subject to the
normal movement rules regarding moving through
other models as per page 11.
Also, from memory, if you disembarked, don't you count has having moved for shooting (ie. may not use heavy weapons)?
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2012/02/13 17:15:13
Subject: Disembark from a surrounded vehicle
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Resentful Grot With a Plan
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Thanks Tommy, I found it in there too.
If the vehicle has not yet moved, then the passengers may disembark and move normally. The vehicle can also then move normally. The disembarked models may shoot (counting as moving), and may assault as normal.
So the Emergency Disembark is more like treating the hull as an access point. Not the models 'jumping' from the top. LOL.
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2012/02/13 17:15:58
Subject: Disembark from a surrounded vehicle
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Page 67, says that they may disembark and move normally.. The disembarked models may shoot counting as moving.
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2012/02/13 17:17:23
Subject: Disembark from a surrounded vehicle
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Plaguelord Titan Princeps of Nurgle
Alabama
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JBW wrote:Thanks Tommy, I found it in there too.
If the vehicle has not yet moved, then the passengers may disembark and move normally. The vehicle can also then move normally. The disembarked models may shoot (counting as moving), and may assault as normal.
So the Emergency Disembark is more like treating the hull as an access point. Not the models 'jumping' from the top. LOL.
We should both probably be working.
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2012/02/13 17:18:26
Subject: Disembark from a surrounded vehicle
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Resentful Grot With a Plan
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puma713 wrote:JBW wrote:Thanks Tommy, I found it in there too.
If the vehicle has not yet moved, then the passengers may disembark and move normally. The vehicle can also then move normally. The disembarked models may shoot (counting as moving), and may assault as normal.
So the Emergency Disembark is more like treating the hull as an access point. Not the models 'jumping' from the top. LOL.
We should both probably be working.
Yes. Yes we should! LOL.
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2012/02/13 17:27:19
Subject: Disembark from a surrounded vehicle
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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Emergency disembarkation allow you to get out from the hull. A wrecked Stormraven will land thus giving its wings as space for the guys inside to pop out. This is just shenanigan.
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2012/02/13 17:33:28
Subject: Disembark from a surrounded vehicle
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Resentful Grot With a Plan
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leohart wrote:Emergency disembarkation allow you to get out from the hull. A wrecked Stormraven will land thus giving its wings as space for the guys inside to pop out. This is just shenanigan.
I was under the impression that the vehicle becomes a wreck after you get out. Wouldn't the surrounded base of a SR be enough?
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2012/02/13 17:36:18
Subject: Disembark from a surrounded vehicle
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Plaguelord Titan Princeps of Nurgle
Alabama
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JBW wrote:leohart wrote:Emergency disembarkation allow you to get out from the hull. A wrecked Stormraven will land thus giving its wings as space for the guys inside to pop out. This is just shenanigan.
I was under the impression that the vehicle becomes a wreck after you get out. Wouldn't the surrounded base of a SR be enough?
You're right. Disembarking is measured to and from the base. You disembark, then you're a wreck. That's why this works:
Games Workshop wrote:
Q: If a skimmer on a large oval flying base is wrecked,
and its base is completely surrounded by enemy
models, are all embarked models killed? (p71)
A: Yes.
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2012/02/13 17:51:22
Subject: Disembark from a surrounded vehicle
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Resentful Grot With a Plan
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2012/02/13 18:28:54
Subject: Disembark from a surrounded vehicle
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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This is one of those cases when I would love to roll a 5 instead of a 6 on the vehicle damage chart.
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