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So I'm planning on running Ghaz in a trukk w. boyz in a tournament this weekend, and something started scaring me.

If my opponent kills the 11 boyz w Ghaz and I fail my Ld9 morale check for taking 25% casualties, which isn't that hard with no boyz to use my bosspole on, will Ghazghkull run off the board because his squad was under 50% when he started falling back?
I looked in the BRB and it didn't say anything about squad strength below 50% when the IC is the only one left alive.

Also there is the Guard Psyker Battle Squad w. Weaken Resolve. They would only have to kill 7 boyz and then reduce my leadership to 2.
I guess the easy answer is to put him with a bigger squad of boyz or some nobz, but it's a 1500 pt game so Idon't have the pts
I'm only taking Ghaz cause he costs less then my nob squad, and another guy is taking abbadon and he would chew threw my nob squad.

It just doesn't seem right, having Ghaz spend the whole game slowly running backwards cause a couple boys bit the dust

Doesn't gaz have fearless? If so that confers to his squad too...if not...then yeah...I suppose he can be chased off the board :/

Isn't Ghaz fearless?


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IC's lose fearless if the unit they are attached to don't have it. Which means, he would fall back, but then immediately regrou next turn.

Happyjew wrote:Isn't Ghaz fearless?


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IC's lose fearless if the unit they are attached to don't have it. Which means, he would fall back, but then immediately regrou next turn.

Unless the unit was still around. He can't leave the unit while it's falling back, so as long as one boy is around Ghaz gets to run.

Ghaz can pop the Waaagh at anytime and then becomes fearless for a turn or two.

whaaaaaaaaaaa? When do ICs lose fearless?

-666- wrote:Ghaz can pop the Waaagh at anytime and then becomes fearless for a turn or two.

Waaagh doesn't benefit Orks that are falling back.

nkelsch wrote:whaaaaaaaaaaa? When do ICs lose fearless?

When they join a unit that doesn't have it.

nkelsch wrote:whaaaaaaaaaaa? When do ICs lose fearless?

Pg 48 under 'Independent Characters Joining & Leaving Units', section titled 'Special Rules':

"When an Independent Character joins a unit, it might have different special rules from those of the unit. Unless specified in the rule itself (as in the 'stubborn' special rule), the unit's special rules are not conferred upon the character, and the character's special rules are not conferred upon the unit."

Pg 75 under 'Fearless':

"...This special rule is gained by any independent character joining a fearless unit. However, as long as a fearless character stays with a unit that is not fearless, he loses this special rule."

To Summarize:
No, Ghaz is NOT fearless (fix this GW), even when he's by himself.
He can call the Waagh at any time and then makes any non-fleeing unit fearless, but if he's already falling back he will continue to run away even though the rest of my army is now fearless....

I can call the waagh right before I make the moral check... it would be a waste, but probably the safest thing to do, unless its the 1st turn.

Oh I was thinking mad dok... Carry on

Even then, as long as he's not within 6" of an enemy (if the squad he is with is wiped out) he can regroup. If the unit he joined still has models (and are less than 50%), he cannot regroup.

Happyjew wrote:Even then, as long as he's not within 6" of an enemy (if the squad he is with is wiped out) he can regroup. If the unit he joined still has models (and are less than 50%), he cannot regroup.

That latter clause is the pain point. Since you have to shoot the boyz down to below 10 models (so they lose fearless) they're likely under 50% and will thus never rally.

Ghaz can call the Waaagh at any time, so what normally happens is that the moment he is about to take a morale test at any kind of significant penalty, he pops the Waaagh and makes himself and his whole army Fearless, which lasts the rest of that player turn and the entire next player turn. That's assuming he hasn't already expended his 1x/game Waaagh, of course.

If you think this is a possibility, remove casualties in such a way that he will not be in coherency with the 1 or 2 boyz who survive.

Since you must fall straight back as fast as possible(2D6 for Ghazzy's unit) the unit orientation will remain the same and he will be no longer part of the unit at the end of the next movement phase.

-cgmckenzie

You must move to restore coherency, so this will not work. He also cannot leave the unit even if this were true - he has to move away from it, which he isnt doing - he's moving WITH the unit

cgmckenzie wrote:If you think this is a possibility, remove casualties in such a way that he will not be in coherency with the 1 or 2 boyz who survive.

Since you must fall straight back as fast as possible(2D6 for Ghazzy's unit) the unit orientation will remain the same and he will be no longer part of the unit at the end of the next movement phase.

-cgmckenzie

Even if he's not in coherency, he's still part of the unit and cannot leave it while it is falling back.

save yourself the worry... pop his waaagh before you "make the morale check" if its that scarey for you...

Don Mondo is correct

Specially if an IG PBS just dropped him down to Ld2 for the Morale check. Sure, Ghaz can pop a boy with his pole for a second chance at snake eyes...and if his dice are that hot you were going to lose anyways.