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i tend to play 2k points only against lizardmen tomb kings and skaven. I currently play ogres. My choices of the arnies i like are (and i only like themed lists)
Brettonia - knights only theme no peasents
Empire - not sure but i like the idea of a fanatical marshall of light with warrior priests or a brettonian style list seen as they dont lookblike theyl be getting updated...
Wood Elves - i use the term elf lightly...it would be a tree spirit list. All up with ents and gak...
Orcs - ferel orc list
Goblin - would be a spider rider list with Arachnaroks as many as possible.
Vampires - ferel strigoi list with ghouls

I know the last 3 would be the obvious choice as theyre new and updated but that aside... What do you thinks? Thanks in advance

From the above I would go for a O&G 'tribal' theme.

Savage Orcs and Forest Goblins both have the naked savage thing going on. So much so I dont think either fit in my army of clothed orcs.

A Savage orc great shaman (your general) and forest goblin great shaman on an Arachnarok means a magic heavy list with lots of spells to choose from.

Add a Forest goblin BSB

Then take forest goblin archers and savage orcs as core infantry. Forest goblin archers are just ordinary gobbos just without the clothes and with feather on their heads. You can pick up the old models or get them as bitz from Arachnarok boxsets.
Savage orcs are nails, the golbins plus spider banner do some nasty shooting.

For the rest of the army take Spider Riders, save Orc boar boyz and an Arachnarok with various toppings. Or two but then the gobbo will have to be your general.


You could take a cavalry army theme of Spiders riders as some core, savage orc boar boyz as special, Arachnaroks as Rare.

How many Arachnaroks can you take. they cost 290pts basic so that means one in 2k points. 2.5k will allow two and you can have an extra one as a Great Goblin shaman mount. However to do that ansd afford an orc to lead you will mean 3k points for the full theme. a 3k tribal army will mean a LOT of spider riders to buy or savage orc infantry (more reasonable).

Hope this helps.

Well the lists ive written are a pure savage orc list lead by wurzagg or a 2.5k goblin list with spider riders and 2 arachnaroks and a shaman 1 not sure whichbid go with. Not sure if im comfortable nixing the two

Lordjig6 wrote:Well the lists ive written are a pure savage orc list lead by wurzagg or a 2.5k goblin list with spider riders and 2 arachnaroks and a shaman 1 not sure whichbid go with. Not sure if im comfortable nixing the two

Thats up to you, but if you are after cultural theme rather than a list 'theme' then you will notice similarities between tribal orcs with feathers, bones and loincloths and tribal goblins with feathers, bones and loincloths.

Savage orcs would make a very boring army, there are only two unit types. Mixing both savage orcs and goblins will be nasty and provide variety. How about purring savage orcs on 'tusked spiders' in a spider tribe theme army. Save Orc boar boyz could become riders of meaner but less toxic spiders. A Boar boy big boss can lead spider riders though it would look odd, a 'counts as' bigger spider however adds theme. You could make a cavalry army easy from this unit. Spider swarms 'count as' snotlings. Savage orcs and forest goblins rider varied spiders, goblin big bosses ride even bigger spiders, various shamen and three 'Rakkies top out the list. I think it would look awesome and probably hit very hard too.

I have a 3k spider-based army. I have a good number of spider riders and 3 Arachnaroks, but also took a couple blocks of Night Goblins to fill it out.

Running 2 Arachnaroks at 2000 points is going to limit your Lord choice to a single Level 3 Goblin Great Shaman. I'm not sure that would be my first choice for a general.

I also like the idea of a mounted Empire list. You would probably need to rely on MSU-style tactics, but it could be a lot of fun.

I consider spider riders 'mounted infantry'. They may be mounted but you should deploy them like infantry and feel free to add ranks like infantry do. 30 spiders riders in a block led by an orc on a pig is a good combat block. Though leave some spider rider units without orcs in, because the boar takes away your units special movement abilities.

You can avoid a gobbo general in 2k points by giving the job to a savage orc hero. You get Ld8 bubble qwhich is doable though not ideal.

This army will extend well beyond its Ld bubble anyway, so it will matter less than usual.

I wouldnt use the Rakky rider shaman as general not because of low Ld, though that is a factor, but because he is very exposed to shooting.

I'd recommend against playing all knight Bretonnia. Breton knights are pretty good at what they do but I can't see a peasantless list ever doing that well. Even with an all mounted list Mounted Yeomen would be practically required to act as cheap redirectors.

So if you are dead set on all knights I'd steer clear of Bretonnia.

Of the others I think I like the Goblin list the most. Although I am not terribly familiar with the new O&Gs book so it could be terrible for all I know.

edit: quoting Orlanth, but advice is for OP.

Orlanth wrote:I consider spider riders 'mounted infantry'. They may be mounted but you should deploy them like infantry and feel free to add ranks like infantry do. 30 spiders riders in a block led by an orc on a pig is a good combat block. Though leave some spider rider units without orcs in, because the boar takes away your units special movement abilities.

Mounts can't attack in the second rank, making these either really expensive goblins, or just expensive wolf riders. If you want a cavalry block with O&G, wolves are better.

If you are willing to do MSU, then spiders are pretty good for their poisoned attacks.

Orlanth wrote:This army will extend well beyond its Ld bubble anyway, so it will matter less than usual.

I'd also suggest looking into goblin big bosses to lead your units. They're cheap, LD7, and can be mounted on spiders or wolves. Or even a gigantic spider. 56 points for a character isn't that bad. Looking at it another way, 56 points for a Ld7 upgrade is bad.

Also, if you cut out the 2nd pair of legs on a spider, mounted goblins can sit properly, rather than squatting like the forest goblins. If you're running a bunch of riders, most people won't notice your spiders are missing legs.

Orlanth wrote:I wouldnt use the Rakky rider shaman as general not because of low Ld, though that is a factor, but because he is very exposed to shooting.

The Arachnarok-mounted shaman is not usually a good idea anyway because of the shooting. But he looks good, and for goblins that's what matters.

Ok thanks guys so the general fav is orcs and goblins...


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Which is good but im still not sure how i feel about mixing them

That's the thing with O&G is you have so many choices. Best thing I could say is try a few games and see what you like. Personally I like O&G artillery armies! But that's just me...you'll have to experiment to see what works for you.

Well i really like the idea of both a spider list or a warzugg list...but i like splitting them...i dont see what goblins would have over orcs other than sheer numbers

Lordjig6 wrote:Well i really like the idea of both a spider list or a warzugg list...but i like splitting them...i dont see what goblins would have over orcs other than sheer numbers

Remember first and foremost: it's about quantity, not quality. You want quality and not quantity, O&G is not for you (with a few exceptions)

1) spider riders are neat!

2) night goblin squig riders and the ball-and-chain guys whose name is not entering my brain are fun

3) a unit of 100 goblins is great for bogging down units forever. (or, if it isn't, it'll bog'm for a long time)

4) you expect nothing good from goblins (you've about said so yourself) ...therefore, anything good that does happen is a bonus!

5) good, cheap archers (3 pts each I think. shortbows only but it's all about quantity, not quality)

I will say either the O&G or the brettonia, mainly because I like all knights of brettonia and I like the spider idea.

I do like the idea of an O&G army perhaps normal goblins? Or night goblins?

Go for forest gobbos, the main reason is that you like the spiders and Thats forest gobbo territorial.

Yea but theyvare really limited arachnaroks and riders...thats it

And gigantic spiders (which are as I have herd ideal for your forest gobbo warlord, not too big and so nice with a horde or cavalry unit).

I'll weigh in on your Empire ideas.

The army of faith with Warrior priests leading would be reasonably good at defending from magic due to the priests extra dispel dice and they're aren't too shabby in combat either. You haven't said any more than that about that idea so I'll leave that there.

Onto the cavalry empire: A Templar Grand Master with a unit of Inner Circle Knights with great weapons hurts bad. The one problem is that I would suggest you also take pistoleers or some warmachines to go with the cavarly otherwise you miss out on the Empire's main strengths (Faith, Steel and Gunpowder!)

I'm all for the spider spam list, that seems like it would be a lot of fun to play and paint!

Good pointnon the empire ill bear that in mind... They would both be very cool. Yes the spider list would be alot of fun but do you think its a bit limitex? I literally get 2 units...as far as goblins go...would night goblins be any better?

Or you listen to what people are saying and do a combined savage greenskin list with both orcs and goblins. Gives you more unit choice and still stays thematic.