Canoptek Spyders in Dawn of War deployment

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**Gnawer**

This may be a very basic question. In Dawn of War deployment, can Spyders make Scarabs on the turn 1? Or, more generally, can one arrive from reserve, and then immediately create a Scarab base?

**pretre**

They arrive after the start of movement phase. If it says start I movement phase, then no.

**Gnawer**

It does say that. So, everything "at the start of the movement phase" does not work after arriving from reserves? Another example would be Monolith's Dimensional Corridor.

**pretre**

Yes

**CthuluIsSpy**

And this should be in You make the call.
And no, as its at the start of the movement phase, and they are not on the table then.

**leohart**

This is along the same line of librarian psychic powers wherein he has to use it at the start of his turn. Since he can do that, I think the spyder can. However, isn't there a limit on where the scarab can be (2" from the spyder)?

That might preclude it from making scarabs since the spyder won't be on the tablet yet to measure 2" from.

**Mannahnin**

Librarians can't use "start of the turn" powers the turn they arrive from Reserve either. Neither can Farseers.

**leohart**

Sigh. Bye bye Null Zone in Outflanking Land Raider. Can I have the page number regarding this "inability" please?

**foolishmortal**

40k 5th ed BRB update 1.5 page 8
"Q: If a unit is in reserve, and it has an ability that
occurs at the start of a turn can they use that ability on
the turn they arrive? (p94)
A: No. Unless specifically stated otherwise."

**leohart**

Thanks.

**Mannahnin**

leohart wrote:Sigh. Bye bye Null Zone in Outflanking Land Raider.

Null Zone is cast in the shooting phase, isn't it?

**Gnawer**

That FAQ mentions start of the turn, not start of the movement phase.

After boiling it down to generic question about reserves, I actually found another thread where it is discussed, and the rough summary there is "it is not defined in any clear way".

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/416248.page

**CthuluIsSpy**

Gnawer wrote:That FAQ mentions start of the turn, not start of the movement phase.

After boiling it down to generic question about reserves, I actually found another thread where it is discussed, and the rough summary there is "it is not defined in any clear way".

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/416248.page

Start of the turn is the start of the movement phase.

**Gnawer**

This argument was also made in the thread I mentioned. Here is the post I found most interesting.

time wizard wrote:How many "starts" or "beginnings" of the Movement phase are there?
Page 94 says that at the start of the movement phase, before moving any unit, you must roll for each unit in reserve. So no option there.
So the first action you have to take is to roll for reserves. You can't bring in a unit througgh the portal because you must first roll for reserves.
Except the dimensional corridor rule says you can use this ability to phase out a unit, even one if reserve, and 'disembark' them from the portal.
The question that needs to be answered is, "Does either phasing out or disembarking from a transport qualify as movement?"
If yes, then neither of these actions can be taken until after all reserves have been rolled for.

After the reserves are rolled for, any that have arrived must be deployed and moved onto the table.
Surely moving onto the table qualifies as movement so we are now no longer "at the start of the Movement phase" because we have now begun moving units.

But the reserve roll goes on to say that after all the arriving units are on the table that "The player may then proceed to move his other units as normal."
What does move the rest as normal mean?
Is this now the "start" of the Movement phase?

How many "starts" is the Movement phase allowed?

This is why I said that a clarification is in order on this issue.
It is confusing to try to figure out which start of the Movement phase is supposed to occur first, or if the occurrence of one action negates the ability to perform the other action.

I really don't think it is as cut and dried as some posters believe.