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Hiya all!

Just wondering on what army should I make next?

Here is what I think at the moment.
Dark Elves: I love the models, I have had a Dark Elf army before but at the time, I didn't want a evil army. So most of my models got converted into High Elves, but finally after finishing my High Elf army of its time to do something different. (also I think they look like the Vampires out of Underworld, which is a upside)
Tomb Kings: I have never actually owned a army with skeletons in it I don't think and as far as skeletons go I prefer them to the VC Skeletons. Also I think Tomb Kings have one of the best back stories. I do actually own some models but don't know what to choose.

But enough have what I think which one would you guys choose?

If you already own a high elf army, than pick dark elves. Makes most sense to me. The play style is generally similar with finesse being more important than anything.

Tomb kings are a very slow army and I think you will be constantly annoyed with certain aspects - such as they can't march, at all, ever (without the aid of magic that is) and the low initiative values of 2 or 3 if they're a super fast mummy!

I can just see lots of frustration in your future if you take tomb kings - unless you really want something drastically different from high elves.

I want something different but you speak sense in what your saying. Does annoy me a little bit that they can't march and the fact that they are flammable puts me of a little bit. But they Tomb King models just look immense! Thats one thing I forgot to mention.

Ohh dont get me wrong - I love the models! The knights are very cool, the sphynx are boss and the chariots look great on the battlefield. They also look great getting cut down by anything that shoots.

Dark Elves. There are no bad units to choose from and some of the builds (especially some of the Dreadlord builds) are criminal.

Tombkings. Why because your friends will not hate your guts like they will with Sac Dagger- Dread Lord- Dual Hydra

Johnny-Crass wrote:Tombkings. Why because your friends will not hate your guts like they will with Sac Dagger- Dread Lord- Dual Hydra

You're implying that your friends will not hate you when you bring out the Necrosphinx and the magical shenanigans the Tomb Kings are capable of....

Besides, you can avoid the cheese-hate by not fielding it. The only cheese I go for is the unkillable Dreadlord, but that's because my opponents at my old club needed a little challenge to invigorate them into more creative play-styles, and the rest of my army were mostly spearmen so, I kinda needed a little staying power. Plus I didn't use magic much, for army-fluff reasons.

I would rather fight sphinxs than hydras any day.

To be honest, I want to make a fair army. I don't want someone not playing a game with me because of a cheap army. So Tomb Kings are pulling me over to there side. Whats the down sides of Dark Elves?

Downsides to DE are mainly T3 and certain units having max sizes(Black Guard are max 20 which is a damn shame). That's about it for cons. DE are a very versatile and strong army, which they can be without being cheesy(2 hydras is always cheese no matter what the waac'ers say).

So Dark Elves fine, Hydra's not?

GoldenKaos wrote: You're implying that your friends will not hate you when you bring out the Necrosphinx and the magical shenanigans the Tomb Kings are capable of....

Besides, you can avoid the cheese-hate by not fielding it. The only cheese I go for is the unkillable Dreadlord, but that's because my opponents at my old club needed a little challenge to invigorate them into more creative play-styles, and the rest of my army were mostly spearmen so, I kinda needed a little staying power. Plus I didn't use magic much, for army-fluff reasons.

The Tomb Kings don't have nearly the cheese that the DE do. Not by a long shot.

The fact that you say you took an unkillable Lord to motivate your friends with more challenge proves how absurd some Dark Elf tricks can be. Paraphrasing, what you're saying is that the regular things regular armies can field (and almost every army has some nasty units/comps) just weren't difficult enough to challenge people, so you took ONE of many Dark Elf cheese builds to take the challenge to the next level. This proves that a Dark Elf player must "pull their punches" so to speak, as to not field so much cheese that their opponents get frustrated.

@Therunabout:
Dark Elf players will almost always defend the Dark Elves and their ridiculousness. More experienced Warhammer vets will tell you that even the cheesiest DE builds can be dealt with and are not invincible, which is true for them, but to you, as a new player who's not used to your army, not well versed in strategy, etc. - they might very well be nearly unbeatable.

I started Warhammer with some friends of mine, and we began at low points - 750. We were all inexperienced, including myself, as I was a 40k player. We had Lizardmen, Empire, Tomb Kings (yours truly), Vampire Counts, and Dark Elves.

Now, 750 limits what you can take, obviously, but a Hydra is low enough in cost that it can be fielded in that bracket. The Dark Elf player took a Sorceress with a Familiar that gave her 360 degree line of sight and an extra 6" range on all her spells, put her in a bunker of 15 Repeater Crossbowmen, then took 5 Black Guard, 15 Corsairs w/ Frenzy Banner, and the Hydra. Now. His list wasn't THE most competitive thing he could have made (He was using Dark Magic over Shadow, no Witch Elves, etc.) but he literally tabled every single person he fought every single time. It got to the point where nobody wanted to play anymore. Now remember, we were all equally inexperienced, so it was his army, not strategy, winning for him. He only started losing when we upped the points to 1000 and I dusted off my old Skaven and fielded a nasty army in response to his. (a lot of credit goes to the fact that I took a Hell Pit Abomination at 1,000 pts., which honestly could also admittedly be considered cheese.)

I consider the Dark Elves army book to be stronger than the Tomb Kings, despite the fact that the Tomb Kings army book is newer. Of course this is just my opinion. Matter of fact, the Dark Elves army book could be considered stronger than many newer books. (look up "Warhammer Tiers", and most of the community will agree.)

What I'm trying to say is, if you play Dark Elves, you essentially have two options: Pull your punches until your opponents get more experienced, or field the competitive cheese right away and frustrate your opponents. If that doesn't sound like fun to you, go for the Tomb Kings.

Therunabout wrote:So Dark Elves fine, Hydra's not?

1 hydra is fine and almost mandatory. 2 is just unfair as they are under priced.