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Rending:

on a wound role of 6 no armour save can be taken. against vehicles an extra d3 for armour pen. correct?

snipers:

they have rending?

Ordance:

how is this different from 'large blast' apart from role 2 dice and pick the higest against vehicles.

Ordnance barrage:

is it just like ordnance but it pins?

thanks

This might be better in YMDC, but
Rending: Yes. Snipers rend. They rend from S3 (So 3+6+D3 on a rending roll).

Ordnance: Ordnance isn't any kind of blast, without the Large Blast or Blast rule. Ordnance simply lets the result be rolled twice against vehicles, taking the highest.

Ordnance Barrage: It's just like a regular Barrage, but you roll 2d6 choose highest against vehicles.

and does a regular barrage pin units?

Yes, all barrage weapons are pinning, ordnance or not.

Re. ordnance. I use this summary;

There are three different Ordnance characteristics with attending drawbacks.

A. The ability to roll two dice when penetrating armour and picking the highest, with the drawback of being disallowed to fire any other weapons.

B. Always using the large blast marker.

C. Gaining the option of firing indirectly (with an imposed Pinning Test at -1), with the drawbacks of having to remain stationary and not using BS to reduce scatter if target is out of LOS. Also cover saves is worked out from the center of the blast, not the direction of the firing unit.


"Ordnance" has A.

"Ordnance Blast" has A + B.

"Ordnance Barrage" has A + B + C.

All of this can be modified with specific exceptions.

Steelmage99 wrote:Yes, all barrage weapons are pinning, ordnance or not.

Re. ordnance. I use this summary;

There are three different Ordnance characteristics with attending drawbacks.

A. The ability to roll two dice when penetrating armour and picking the highest, with the drawback of being disallowed to fire any other weapons.

B. Always using the large blast marker.

C. Gaining the option of firing indirectly (with an imposed Pinning Test at -1), with the drawbacks of having to remain stationary and not using BS to reduce scatter if target is out of LOS. Also cover saves is worked out from the center of the blast, not the direction of the firing unit.


"Ordnance" has A.

"Ordnance Blast" has A + B.

"Ordnance Barrage" has A + B + C.

All of this can be modified with specific exceptions.

Small addendum to your otherwise great summary:

"B" should have the Caveat "unless otherwise specified".

It only comes up in Apoc of Imperial armour Allowed games, but both of those have some Ordnance weapons with Largwer than Large blasts(7"-10"); the IG Deathstrike missile has a Blast of a Random Radius(8"-12" diameter), it is entirely possible for an Ordnance weapon to specify "Small blast".

In all the above cases, if the rule was a Hard and Fast "always a Large blast marker" then a 10" apoc blast weapon(say a Baneblade's main cannon)would be much less destructive.

Also when firing both ordinance and ordinance barrage weapons a vehicle is not allowed to fire any other weapons. Also doesn't the BRB say that unless specified otherwise all ordinance weapons use the large blast?

TheAvengingKnee wrote:Also doesn't the BRB say that unless specified otherwise all ordinance weapons use the large blast?

No. It says that if an Ordinance weapon uses blast, it is assumed to be the large blast unless otherwise specified.

But, if you just had an Ordinance weapon without blast listed at all, it's just a regular shot like a Lascannon.

Off the top of my head, isn't there only 1 Ordnance non-blast weapon?

The Hellstrike or Hellfury missiles (whatever they're called) on Valkryies.

One of the Leman Russ variants does (or did) have an Ordnance weapon that did not use a blast marker IIRC.

Kommissar Kel wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:Yes, all barrage weapons are pinning, ordnance or not.

Re. ordnance. I use this summary;

There are three different Ordnance characteristics with attending drawbacks.

A. The ability to roll two dice when penetrating armour and picking the highest, with the drawback of being disallowed to fire any other weapons.

B. Always using the large blast marker.

C. Gaining the option of firing indirectly (with an imposed Pinning Test at -1), with the drawbacks of having to remain stationary and not using BS to reduce scatter if target is out of LOS. Also cover saves is worked out from the center of the blast, not the direction of the firing unit.


"Ordnance" has A.

"Ordnance Blast" has A + B.

"Ordnance Barrage" has A + B + C.

All of this can be modified with specific exceptions.

Small addendum to your otherwise great summary:

"B" should have the Caveat "unless otherwise specified".

It only comes up in Apoc of Imperial armour Allowed games, but both of those have some Ordnance weapons with Largwer than Large blasts(7"-10"); the IG Deathstrike missile has a Blast of a Random Radius(8"-12" diameter), it is entirely possible for an Ordnance weapon to specify "Small blast".

In all the above cases, if the rule was a Hard and Fast "always a Large blast marker" then a 10" apoc blast weapon(say a Baneblade's main cannon)would be much less destructive.

Ordinance Barrage also takes a side armor hit on vehicles.

daedalus wrote:Ordinance Barrage also takes a side armor hit on vehicles.

Only on a direct hit does Ordinance Barrage do this. I.E. if the center of the blast marker ends over the vehicles hull.

For Ordinance Barrage shots where the center of the blast marker ends outside the vehicle but part of the marker covers its hull, the vehicle is hit on the side facing the center of the blast marker, regardless of the position of the firer. (BRB 60)

Good point, you're right.

I can't think of the last time I even bothered taking a not-direct-hit on a blast seriously though.

daedalus wrote:Good point, you're right.

I can't think of the last time I even bothered taking a not-direct-hit on a blast seriously though.

It can happen with Str 10 ordnance that scatters off the back of a vehicle and hits rear armor (Or to the side of a chimera cause of AV10 on the side.)

But those situations are few and far between.