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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/22 08:10:22
Subject: Small Blast templates
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What is the maximum number of models that may be hit by a small blast template against units with standard 25mm bases? Mathematically speaking.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/22 08:36:29
Subject: Small Blast templates
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Member of the Malleus
Not every shadow, but any shadow
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Checked it on my Autocad, 75mm Diameter Circle can contain 7 x 25mm circles, all in base contact. You can then put another ring around the 7 completely under the template and 6 of those will have bases partially under the template.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/22 08:47:21
Subject: Small Blast templates
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Magpie wrote:Checked it on my Autocad, 75mm Diameter Circle can contain 7 x 25mm circles, all in base contact. You can then put another ring around the 7 completely under the template and 6 of those will have bases partially under the template.
So, you've got 1 in the center, and six around it. The curvature of those 6 outside bases leaves 6 gaps where an additional base can be touched by the blast.
total 13.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/22 09:26:55
Subject: Small Blast templates
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Member of the Malleus
Not every shadow, but any shadow
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Yup, managed to upload a piccy
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/22 13:51:49
Subject: Small Blast templates
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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Do you have to place the center hole of the marker directly on the center of the model, or just over the base? Because, if you shift the center of the blast marker slightly, you can add 2 more on the outside ring for a total of 15.
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I don't write the rules. My ego just lives and dies by them one model at a time. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/22 15:03:59
Subject: Small Blast templates
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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Ghenghis Jon wrote:Do you have to place the center hole of the marker directly on the center of the model, or just over the base? Because, if you shift the center of the blast marker slightly, you can add 2 more on the outside ring for a total of 15.
I was just going to bring up this exact point: Center aligned does not grant the most number of models, you want to miss slightly or just be a little off kilter.
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This is my Rulebook. There are many Like it, but this one is mine. Without me, my rulebook is useless. Without my rulebook, I am useless.
Stop looking for buzz words and start reading the whole sentences.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/22 15:11:06
Subject: Small Blast templates
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Khorne Rhino Driver with Destroyer
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The shift would give 16 not 15.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/22 15:18:30
Subject: Re:Small Blast templates
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Fixture of Dakka
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There is no actual maximum, as you can have models on multiple layers all hit by the same blast (as long as those layers aren't a ruin).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/22 15:34:56
Subject: Small Blast templates
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
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3" is more than 75 mm (it's 76,2 mm) so you can actually hit 19 models on 25 mm bases in deep strike formation if you center it on the center model.
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In one game turn an Imperial guardsman can move 6", kill a few guys with his flamer, assault 6", kill two more guys with his bayonet, flee 12", regroup when assaulted, react 6", kill one more guy with his bayonet and then flee another 12".
So in one game turn an Imperial guardsman can move 42" and kill more than 5 people. At the same time a Chimera at top speed on a road can move 18"... |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/22 19:43:25
Subject: Small Blast templates
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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darknightwing wrote:The shift would give 16 not 15.
Word.
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I don't write the rules. My ego just lives and dies by them one model at a time. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/22 19:59:33
Subject: Small Blast templates
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Making Stuff
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Of course, you're also going to have to alter the results slightly depending on which of the various incarnations of the blast template you're using, as the different plastics GW have used since the start of 3rd edition have all had different shrink rates, resulting in slight variances in size between the different batches.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/22 21:54:13
Subject: Small Blast templates
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Member of the Malleus
Not every shadow, but any shadow
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Webbe wrote:3" is more than 75 mm (it's 76,2 mm) so you can actually hit 19 models on 25 mm bases in deep strike formation if you center it on the center model.
Yep, damn mixing old school with new school ! . The extra 1.2mm makes the maximum 19, nothing gained by moving off centre as you rob Peter to pay Paul.
Best of luck arguing that out with an opponent, mind you if they are silly enough to get their guys into a cluster flock like this then maybe ...............
I wonder if a light placed a fixed distance above the table (so as to throw a 3" spot of light) would be an easier way to work out blast effects ?
Maybe not the fuzzy edge would lead to all sorts of dramas I suppose.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/22 21:59:50
Subject: Small Blast templates
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Stormin' Stompa
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Well, some kind of laser would be required to actually tell who was hit....and a central dot or small circle to center the "marker". The hypothetical laser would also require a level placed on top to avoid elongating the circle. I think it is a really cool and neat idea, in a gadget-geek sort of way, but I don't think any additional precision would be gained. Nor would any time be saved. Kudos and full geek-points on the idea, though. ...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/22 22:03:51
Subject: Small Blast templates
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Member of the Malleus
Not every shadow, but any shadow
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Yeh, I'll stick with my plan to introduce actual small scale explosives, no arguments then !
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