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----Heroes----

Chieftan
BSB
Enchanted Shield
Dawnstone
105pts

Warlock Engineer
Doomrocket
45pts

Warlock Engineer
Lvl1 Wizard
Warp Energy Condenser
85pts

Hero Total: 235

----Core----

Slaves x 40
80pts

Slaves x 40
80pts

Giant Rats x 5
Pack Master
23pts

Giant Rats x 5
Pack Master
23pts

Stormvermin x 40
Musician
Banner
Storm Banner
345pts

Total: 551

----Rare----

Warp Lightning Cannon
90pts

Warp Lightning Cannon
90pts

Total: 180

Total: 966

So I've got 34 points leftover. If anything is illegal, please point that out first. Otherwise, I'd like to get a ward save on the BSB or go from a Lvl 1 wizard to a Lvl 2. Also, musicians in the slaves?

Basic idea for layout is the stormvermin in the middle, slaves on either side, giant rats on the flank helping to protect the warp cannons and redirect charges.

Warlock Engineers seemed pretty cheap and deadly, and the BSB seems pretty mandatory in this army, so a rerollable 3+ sounded nice (but i'd still like a ward too).

Also, is body count about right or need some looking into?

well, slaves don't have an option for a musician, only a "champion" who is not worth the trouble. I would suggest you drop either the stormvermin or some of the giant rats and replace them with some clanrats with a weapon team... Poisoned wind mortars are awesome....

And yes, bodycount is what wins the game for the Skaven.... what they lack in individual power, them make up for in sheer numbers.

Slaves have a musician option for cheap, would be worth the points. The L1 Wizard is your general then? You only have a max of 8 LD for your R&F units, so that BSB better survive. If it or your Engineer die, you're out of luck.

You've met the body count rule just fine (~1 skaven model per 10 points).

I'm a real big fan of rat darts, very effective for their cost.

1. At 1,000 points a Warlord makes a wonderful general. That 1 extra point of Ld may not seem like a lot now, but trust me it'll save your butt. They're also fairly killy against rank and file, even with just a halberd and a cheap ward save.

2. Your BSB needs a ward save. The enchanted shield isn't really worth the cost, for 3 most points you can get the dragonhelm + shield and you have the same armor bonus, but also a 2+ ward against flaming attacks. Regardless, the best combo in my opinion is Charmed Shield + Talisman of Preservation. Your BSB is almost more important than the general is.

3. Stormbanner now causes problems for your own WLCs, which you want firing. Other than Empire, you probably won't face enough shooting at 1,000 points to justify its cost. Swiftness wouldn't be bad, although if you're sticking your general in with the Stormvermin the Standard of Discipline works well.

4. Dual WLC is nasty at 1,000 points. Don't be surprised to see a few dirty looks.

I didn't realize the change to the banner, so I'll have to axe it for now, and since no one really does play empire around my local spots, I guess you're quite right.

I definitely agree, the BSB seems more important to the army than even the general. Very nice on the loadout, im still unfamiliar with all the items available, I'll give it a go with a new list I'm writing.

And yes, two cannons is very nasty, evil, vile, and downright un-sportsman like. I wouldn't have my verminous horde any other way!

New list in the works, posting momentarily.



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----Lords----

Warlord
Warlock-Augmented Weapon
Shield
138pts

----Heroes----

Chieftan
BSB
Talisman of Preservation
Charmed Shield
120pts

----Core----

Slaves x 30
Musician
62pts

Slaves x 30
Musician
62pts

Slaves x 30
Musician
62pts

Clanrats x 39
Shields
Musician
Banner
187.5

Clanrats x 39
Shields
Musician
Banner
187.5

----Rare----

Warp Lightning Cannon
90pts

Warp Lightning Cannon
90pts

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Total: 999pts
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So I never looked at warlords before, but it seems like 5 str 5 attacks might do some damage, or at least be annoying. Leadership 7 means I'll be rolling on 10's for a little while, so that's kinda nice.

Dropped the Warlock Engineer and Stormvermin, replaced with clanrats, modified slave numbers, still got the twin WLC's.

At 1000pt's I was thinking about 170 models was enough, though I feel like I don't have enough drops.

So, thoughts?

I have found the sword of anti-heros will get you the escalating +1A +1S for cheaper. Reducing one of your clanrats units to a BSB bunker wil allow you to squeeze in Gutter Runners instead of 3rd slave unit which I find too useful not to bring, especially without a storm banner. That would look like this

Warlord
-sword of anti-heros
-either enchanted shield or dragonhelm
130pts

Chieftan
BSB
Talisman of Preservation
Charmed Shield120pts

Slave x40
musician
82pts

Slaves x35
musician
72pts

Clanrats x39
shields
musician
standard
187.5

Clanrats x24
shields
musician
standard
120pts

Gutter Runners x6
poison
slings
108pts

Warp Lightning Cannon x2
180pts

Total 999.5 points

Still squishy on magic protection and an overall reduction in rats but still about 150 rats at 1000 points. Now you have 2 cannons and 6 Gutter Runners to deal with magicians and war machines.