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Simple question hopefully with a simple answer...

If I have 5 marines and they do 5 wounds to 4 DE Warriors and a Haemonculus, does the Haemonculus have to take a wound if none of my squad targetted the Haemonculus himself? I thought no because the Haemonculus acts independently in CC. So if no one targets him, then the 5th wound gets wrapped around onto another warrior.

Am I right? Or, does the Haemon take one because he hasnt taken a wound yet? Thanks.

-DElder

In CC, no the Haemon doesn't take a wound as you have to target attacks against him specifically.

For shooting, yes.

Shrike325 wrote:For shooting, yes.

Not quite.

Pg 49, INDEPENDENT CHARACTERS & SHOOTING: Shooting at Independent Characters: "If the unit [the Independent Characters] have joined is hit, the controlling player can choose to allocate hits against the characters just like the other members of the unit."

In this instance, the answer would be "yes" for shooting - because they specifed 5 wounds on a unit containing 5 models. You are right that, in general, you just count them as any other model

Ghenghis Jon wrote:Pg 49, INDEPENDENT CHARACTERS & SHOOTING: Shooting at Independent Characters: "If the unit [the Independent Characters] have joined is hit, the controlling player can choose to allocate hits against the characters just like the other members of the unit."

nosferatu1001 wrote:In this instance, the answer would be "yes" for shooting - because they specifed 5 wounds on a unit containing 5 models. You are right that, in general, you just count them as any other model

Just to be clear, are you saying that wounds from shooting "have" to be placed on the IC? Forgive my ignorance, but is the Haemonculus even an IC? I only inferred this from the post's title.

Ghenghis Jon wrote:

Ghenghis Jon wrote:Pg 49, INDEPENDENT CHARACTERS & SHOOTING: Shooting at Independent Characters: "If the unit [the Independent Characters] have joined is hit, the controlling player can choose to allocate hits against the characters just like the other members of the unit."

nosferatu1001 wrote:In this instance, the answer would be "yes" for shooting - because they specifed 5 wounds on a unit containing 5 models. You are right that, in general, you just count them as any other model

Just to be clear, are you saying that wounds from shooting "have" to be placed on the IC? Forgive my ignorance, but is the Haemonculus even an IC? I only inferred this from the post's title.

He's saying (correctly) that if you have 5 members of a unit (Haem and 4 others) and 5 wounds coming in from shooting, the Haem gets one. If there were 6 wounds, the Haem gets one, the other guys get 5. If the other guys fail all 5 saves, the Haem doesn't take that extra wound - he's a separate wound group.

And I have no idea if it's actually an IC or not, I'm going off the OP just like you are.

Ghenghis Jon wrote:Just to be clear, are you saying that wounds from shooting "have" to be placed on the IC? Forgive my ignorance, but is the Haemonculus even an IC? I only inferred this from the post's title.

As you quoted before you assign hits just like any other unit and ignore the fact that one is an IC. Therefore if you have 5 hits and 5 models you HAVE to assign one to each model even if one is an IC.

VoxDei wrote:As you quoted before you assign hits just like any other unit and ignore the fact that one is an IC. Therefore if you have 5 hits and 5 models you HAVE to assign one to each model even if one is an IC.

Pg 49, INDEPENDENT CHARACTERS & SHOOTING: Shooting at Independent Characters: "If the unit [the Independent Characters] have joined is hit, the controlling player can choose to allocate hits against the characters just like the other members of the unit."

Why do I HAVE to? Doesn't this say I can CHOOSE to allocate hits against an IC?

Ghenghis Jon wrote:
Why do I HAVE to? Doesn't this say I can CHOOSE to allocate hits against an IC?

Because no model can get a second wound allocated to it until all models in the unit have at least one wound allocated to them.

So if there were only 4 wounds done to the unit of 5 models, the owning player would not have to allocate one to the Haemonculus. However, in the example presented we have 5 models and 5 wounds. The Haemonculus has to have one allocated to him because no doing so would force a second wound on a warrior before all models in the unit have had at least one allocated.

You have to put one on the Haem in this case, you get to choose to put one on an IC if you like in the same way you can choose to make your Meltagun take a wound as well. Unfortunately, once you saturate a 5 man unit with 5 wounds, everyone must take a save. If you want to be clever you can put multiple wounds on him if, for example, he did 6 wounds and 2 were plasma...

Also, the Haem is an IC, it is a 1-3 selection from the HQ slot.

Arschbombe wrote:Because no model can get a second wound allocated to it until all models in the unit have at least one wound allocated to them.

So this rule is to differentiate Shooting from CC where you CANNOT choose to place wounds on an IC if he was not targeted. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Can you place the first wound on the IC, or do you have to distribute one to each other model in the unit first?

You can put any wound you like on the IC when he's part of the unit. Many times players do not because the IC is usually worth a lot more than the other models in the unit, but sometimes it's to the player's advantage. For example, the IC may have an invulnerable save, or really good armor save that makes it likely the wound allocated to him would be saved when putting it on another model would result in a casualty.

Ghenghis Jon wrote:

VoxDei wrote:As you quoted before you assign hits just like any other unit and ignore the fact that one is an IC. Therefore if you have 5 hits and 5 models you HAVE to assign one to each model even if one is an IC.

Pg 49, INDEPENDENT CHARACTERS & SHOOTING: Shooting at Independent Characters: "If the unit [the Independent Characters] have joined is hit, the controlling player can choose to allocate hits against the characters just like the other members of the unit."

Why do I HAVE to? Doesn't this say I can CHOOSE to allocate hits against an IC?

just like the other members of the unit Nuff said?

don_mondo wrote:just like the other members of the unit Nuff said?

No. My uncertainly was over the "can choose" portion of the rule, as in, can choose to not take ANY wounds regardless of the number of wounds the unit has taken. Arschbombe has enlightened me to the full context the rule set.