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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/24 12:14:32
Subject: Imperial Fist brother chapters Updated
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Hi I have been trying to find as much as I could about imperial fist brother chapters for possible new army I would like.
Tough 80% of the chapters is practically unknown. Here is a list with some minor info.
*Imperial Fist*
Color:
Yellow, Red
Background:
First Founding chapter, Defenders of Terra
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Crimson Fists.
Color:
Dark Blue, Red
Background:
Second founding chapter of Imperial Fist
Near extinction.
Only 128 Marines left in the Chapter.
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Hammer of Dorn.
Color:
Black, Gold
Background:
Successors of Imperial Fist.
See them self as better then most other chapters.
Highly disregard ultramarines for not being at the defense of Terra
and regard them as lacking.
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Black Templars.
Color:
Black, White, Silver, Red
Background:
Second founding chapter of Imperial Fist
Hates Psychics. Rumored to be 5000-6000 strong.
Longest crusade ever.
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Knights of Dorn:
Color:
Black, Skull White
Background:
Successors of Imperial Fists.
Unknown.
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Iron knights
Color:
Silver, Black
Background:
Founding Chapter.
they are one of the twelve Space Marine Chapters that send a champion to the centennial Feast of Blades,
and are the only Chapter to have won on two consecutive occasions
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Red Templars:
Color:
Gold , Red
Background:
In the Lexicanum they are only rumored to be successors to Imperial Fists.
But in Wiki they are in fact successors to Black Templars.
They have specially designed attacks bikes and use elite jump troops that wield
Thunder Hammers.
Are in SM codex
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Sons of Dorn.
Color:
White, Black
Background:
Successors of Imperial Fists
Very long history.
Victory against Hive fleet Leviathan on planet Archea,
Liberating wolds around The eye of terror.
Renowned for leading fledgling Chapter on a massive Crusade across two segmentums and into the Eye of Terror.
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Soul Drinkers.
Color:
Purple, White, gold
Background:
Second Founding chapter of Imperial Fists
Declared Excommunicate Traitoris because of their high mutation.
They see them selves as Loyalists but has turned renegade and manipulated by Chaos.
Status: Redeemed, but destroyed trough Sacrifice.
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White Templars.
Color:
White, Black
Background:
Rumoured to be descended from the Black Templars.
Unknown.
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Excoriators
Color:
White
Background.
Second founding chapter of Imperial Fist.
Origin all the way back to the defense of Holy Terra.
Was aided by the legendary Legion of the damned at one point.
Won Feast of Blades.
Currently guarding the surrounding worlds near The eye of terror.
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Executioners
Color:
Wide Mix, mainly Silver, Grey
Background.
Third founding chapter of Imperial Fist.
Took part in the Badab war.
The Chapter was believed to have found itself on the wrong side of that conflict through little fault of its own,
and was eventually permitted to continue in its service to the Imperium after a suitable penance
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Thats all I could find but rather more then I expected. So either way I hope some of you find this useful.
I'm digging the Red Templar theme and what very little information there is on them for my next army.
any added information would be nice.
Will be updating as I read the posts and look into some more background
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/24 13:53:32
Subject: Imperial Fist brother chapters
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Add to that list the Executioners (see Imperial Armour X), but remove the Red and White Templars, as the wikis are full of crap, and neither (unless I have missed something) have ever been suggested officially to be Black Templar successors.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/24 13:59:38
Subject: Imperial Fist brother chapters
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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Soul Drinkers aren't supposed to be Imperial Fists anymore either.
Chapters who take place in the Feast of Blades might possibly be Imperial Fists successors, as the Imperial Fists apparently were the creators of the tournament.
The Excoriators are a descendant of The Imperial Fists according to the Legion of the Damned novel and the Iron Knights are also confirmed in the Space Marine codex.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/24 14:06:50
Subject: Re:Imperial Fist brother chapters
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Legendary Dogfighter
Australia
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Red Templars Are succesors to Black Templars so in a way they are Imperial Fist sucessors
Soul drinkers still see themselves as loyal to imperium even if thier chapter master is now a spider mutant  They are still a succesor traitor or not.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/24 14:19:52
Subject: Re:Imperial Fist brother chapters
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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Yak9UT wrote:Red Templars Are succesors to Black Templars so in a way they are Imperial Fist sucessors
Soul drinkers still see themselves as loyal to imperium even if thier chapter master is now a spider mutant  They are still a succesor traitor or not.
Assassin is saying, and I agree, that without citation you can't assume that because they share the same name they are successors to the Fists.
Phalanx apparently has debunked the whole Soul Drinkers and Imperial Fists connection.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/24 14:31:33
Subject: Re:Imperial Fist brother chapters
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Legendary Dogfighter
Australia
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Pilau Rice wrote:Yak9UT wrote:Red Templars Are succesors to Black Templars so in a way they are Imperial Fist sucessors
Soul drinkers still see themselves as loyal to imperium even if thier chapter master is now a spider mutant  They are still a succesor traitor or not.
Assassin is saying, and I agree, that without citation you can't assume that because they share the same name they are successors to the Fists.
Phalanx apparently has debunked the whole Soul Drinkers and Imperial Fists connection.
Hmm odd says that Red Templars are sucessor of Black Templars in 40K wiki But lists in Lexicanum as Rumoured sucessor of Black Templar so I guess we can't confirm they are sucessors of Black Templars.
It seems odd they would debunk Soul Drinkers from Imperial Fist as they have a whole back story of trying to retrieve the Soul spear (Dorns weapon) which in turn lead them to being cast as traitors
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/24 14:37:53
Subject: Re:Imperial Fist brother chapters
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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Yak9UT wrote:
It seems odd they would debunk Soul Drinkers from Imperial Fist as they have a whole back story of trying to retrieve the Soul spear (Dorns weapon) which in turn lead them to being cast as traitors
Mysterious isn't it ...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/24 14:47:47
Subject: Re:Imperial Fist brother chapters
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Yak9UT wrote:Pilau Rice wrote:Yak9UT wrote:Red Templars Are succesors to Black Templars so in a way they are Imperial Fist sucessors
Assassin is saying, and I agree, that without citation you can't assume that because they share the same name they are successors to the Fists.
Hmm odd says that Red Templars are sucessor of Black Templars in 40K wiki But lists in Lexicanum as Rumoured sucessor of Black Templar so I guess we can't confirm they are sucessors of Black Templars.
Unless I have missed something, that's not even an in-universe rumour, it's just unsourced fan speculation (like much of WH40K Wiki's content).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/24 14:53:57
Subject: Imperial Fist brother chapters
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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WH40k Wiki is about as accurate as the doomsayers on the street are.
They do no real "factchecking" and just let it sit. Lexicanum is a bit better, but more often than not it has issues as well (one entry for I think the Raven Guard mentions the details being in the Badab War IA books--but Raven Guard aren't mentioned at all within those).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/24 14:55:48
Subject: Imperial Fist brother chapters
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Bounding Black Templar Assault Marine
Waco TX
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Slightly off topic but, have GW/BL/FW released any books that refer to the Feast of Blades i haven't found anything o it myself.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/24 14:55:57
Subject: Re:Imperial Fist brother chapters
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Legendary Dogfighter
Australia
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English Assassin wrote:Yak9UT wrote:Pilau Rice wrote:Yak9UT wrote:Red Templars Are succesors to Black Templars so in a way they are Imperial Fist sucessors
Assassin is saying, and I agree, that without citation you can't assume that because they share the same name they are successors to the Fists.
Hmm odd says that Red Templars are sucessor of Black Templars in 40K wiki But lists in Lexicanum as Rumoured sucessor of Black Templar so I guess we can't confirm they are sucessors of Black Templars.
Unless I have missed something, that's not even an in-universe rumour, it's just unsourced fan speculation (like much of WH40K Wiki's content).
Lexicanum Actually  more crediable then 40K wiki
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/24 15:02:41
Subject: Imperial Fist brother chapters
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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Cain wrote:Slightly off topic but, have GW/BL/FW released any books that refer to the Feast of Blades i haven't found anything o it myself.
The upcoming Legion of the Damned book seems to have a lot of this mentioned in it.
Yak9UT wrote:English Assassin wrote:Yak9UT wrote:Pilau Rice wrote:Yak9UT wrote:Red Templars Are succesors to Black Templars so in a way they are Imperial Fist sucessors
Assassin is saying, and I agree, that without citation you can't assume that because they share the same name they are successors to the Fists.
Hmm odd says that Red Templars are sucessor of Black Templars in 40K wiki But lists in Lexicanum as Rumoured sucessor of Black Templar so I guess we can't confirm they are sucessors of Black Templars.
Unless I have missed something, that's not even an in-universe rumour, it's just unsourced fan speculation (like much of WH40K Wiki's content).
Lexicanum Actually  more crediable then 40K wiki
It is, but as Kan says it's also full of errors and not all the citations can be trusted.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/24 15:53:34
Subject: Re:Imperial Fist brother chapters
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Yak9UT wrote:English Assassin wrote:Yak9UT wrote:Pilau Rice wrote:Yak9UT wrote:Red Templars Are succesors to Black Templars so in a way they are Imperial Fist sucessors
Assassin is saying, and I agree, that without citation you can't assume that because they share the same name they are successors to the Fists.
Hmm odd says that Red Templars are sucessor of Black Templars in 40K wiki But lists in Lexicanum as Rumoured sucessor of Black Templar so I guess we can't confirm they are sucessors of Black Templars.
Unless I have missed something, that's not even an in-universe rumour, it's just unsourced fan speculation (like much of WH40K Wiki's content).
Lexicanum Actually  more crediable then 40K wiki
And yet, unless somebody can cite the rumour in-universe, it is still, in this instance, inaccurate.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/24 16:07:43
Subject: Imperial Fist brother chapters
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Soul drinkers as I know them are extinct, but in a final act of sacrifice was redeemed when they closed a daemon portal on the space fortress Phalanx of the imperial fist. None of the Soul drinkers survived.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/24 16:18:29
Subject: Imperial Fist brother chapters
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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akkados wrote:Soul drinkers as I know them are extinct, but in a final act of sacrifice was redeemed when they closed a daemon portal on the space fortress Phalanx of the imperial fist. None of the Soul drinkers survived.
Spoilers dear boy, spoilers
I apologies as I am guilty of this too, but I haven't given the whole ending away
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/24 16:37:40
Subject: Imperial Fist brother chapters
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Regular Dakkanaut
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lol sorry wasn't thinking, only trying to point out why they are on the list.
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English Assassin wrote:Add to that list the Executioners (see Imperial Armour X), but remove the Red and White Templars, as the wikis are full of crap, and neither (unless I have missed something) have ever been suggested officially to be Black Templar successors.
Think the Red Templars are in the SM codex, making them official.
Tough only in color scheme and name. Gonna have to find a SM codex hehe.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/24 17:35:38
Subject: Imperial Fist brother chapters
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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akkados wrote:lol sorry wasn't thinking, only trying to point out why they are on the list.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
English Assassin wrote:Add to that list the Executioners (see Imperial Armour X), but remove the Red and White Templars, as the wikis are full of crap, and neither (unless I have missed something) have ever been suggested officially to be Black Templar successors.
Think the Red Templars are in the SM codex, making them official.
Tough only in color scheme and name. Gonna have to find a SM codex hehe.
That they canonically exist is not being questioned (one is indeed pictured in Codex: Space Marines), what is, is whether any suggestion exists in canon that they are a Black Templar successor Chapter. (And indeed all that rubbish about specially-designed bikes.). Fan speculation based on their name (as distinct from attested in-universe speculation/rumour) is not encyclopedic content, and should not be in the wiki.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/24 18:01:31
Subject: Imperial Fist brother chapters Updated
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Noted
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/24 18:31:37
Subject: Re:Imperial Fist brother chapters Updated
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Hellish Haemonculus
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Akka, don't worry about dropping spoilers for the Soul Drinker books. If your info keeps anyone from reading them, you've only done them a favor!
On the real side of things though, if someone could drop a spoiler, does that book series go on to say the Soul Drinkers are not Fist successors?
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