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Here is the thing if GW does make a new Helbrect Model they should slap Matt Ward in the Face b/c he botched making that statment in the Necron Codex.

Necron Codex pg. 26 & 27
930.M41 Slaughter on Schrodinger
Dosent make sence that Helbrect Lost his hand 69 years before Armageddon

BT Codex pg.20
999.M41 Third War for Armageddon
Yet the Helbrect Model was modeled for him in the Armagedon war...has two human hands.......

So if helbrect lost his hand almost 70 years before armageddon then why is there no relation between the codex so therefore just made something he thought was cool again. Personally i want a new Helbrect Model but as for the fluff behind it i think it just dosent work personally. Not to say that i dont understand that its a new codex and they needed to put something interesting in it for backstory, and its not like they can just edit the current BT book, so yes i know it will probally be in the new one once it comes out. But like i said before just dont like the way it worked out.

So lets hear it what are your thoughts on this?

Oh boy....
I am just going to say that Necron codex is 5'th edition while BT one is 3'rd... and since new BT codex is on the way that information is not valid anymore. We will probably see some major change in information when new BT codex is released.

Other explanation is that our Spiritual League didn't read previous codex at all and just made up things from scratch ( like what he did with Grey Knights ).

Brother Coa wrote:Oh boy....
I am just going to say that Necron codex is 5'th edition while BT one is 3'rd... and since new BT codex is on the way that information is not valid anymore. We will probably see some major change in information when new BT codex is released.

Other explanation is that our Spiritual League didn't read previous codex at all and just made up things from scratch ( like what he did with Grey Knights ).

Like i said i understand the first point, i am just saying i think they could have done it a better way. And yes considering Ward wrote the dex I am more inclined to see that it was the second one you said.

The discrepancy arises out of the fact that these stories are not pulled out of a prearranged pot that has everything worked out nicely to make sense with everything else. They are continually making things up as they go along and allowing the story to evolve on its own. One explanation could be rumors, false information being spread, perhaps the Black Templar only told everyone that Helbrect lost on Armageddon to save face from being beaten by the Necrons. His model can easily be explained by saying that one hand Is mechanical, just covered in a synthetic flesh. Just twist the story anyway you want to make it fit

Azure wrote:...rumors, false information being spread, perhaps the Black Templar only told everyone that Helbrect lost on Armageddon to save face from being beaten by the Necrons. His model can easily be explained by saying that one hand Is mechanical, just covered in a synthetic flesh. Just twist the story anyway you want to make it fit

+1 this.
Never take a single thing that GW says as complete fact. They themselves even state that.
Everything ever told is in the perspective of someone from some time, therefore bias is always plausible.
They never have anything just stated as pure fact. Just a lot of different sources saying similar things.

Going with robot hand or transfer hand. The ad mech has numerous methods for replacing lost limbs seamlessly for high ranking Imperials.

I'm pretty sure that the Helbrecht model has a mechanical hand. I believe its his sword arm but I'm not home so can't check.

Cain wrote:
Yet the Helbrect Model was modeled for him in the Armagedon war...has two human hands.......

Where do you take this?

Dark Scipio wrote:

Cain wrote:
Yet the Helbrect Model was modeled for him in the Armagedon war...has two human hands.......

Where do you take this?

The fact that the last place the BT book says Helbrect is, is chasing The ork Warlord with Yarrick just after leaving Armageddon in 999.M41 which therefore means that his model was current to the timeline.

Just looked at my Helbrect model and he has two gauntleted hands, granted they could pull something like oh...he just wears a glove over the bionics.

And i agree with what all of you are saying about how they have to create more fluff and such i am just saying i dont personally like how it went down i would prefer for there to be a bit more explaning other then he got his hand cut off in 930.M41 and in 960.M41 he went after the stormlord to try to exact vengance. And AGAIN i know they will probally add something in the new codex when it comes out like i said in the beggining but i am just saying i dont like how it all flows togather atm.

What i want to know really is how do you all like the story more or less not weather or not you think its plausible according to GW.

Why should the model portrait 999.M41 and not any other date (before the Stormlord encounter)? It wasnt 999.M41 when the model came out.

How can you tell?
He's wearing both gauntlets...
He could easily have a bionic under one of them...

Yup, he's probably got his gauntlet over the mechanical one.

If it was JUST his hand that was cut off then this is extremely likely.

The only way we would probably not have him wearing armor over his bionics would be if it was the entire limb(needing more bulky systems to habve a functioning limb)


And/or the BT codex will change its own fluff. And/or the model represents a pre-stormlord Helbrect.

Helbrecht DEFINITELY has a bionic hand-the right hand is quite a bit smaller than the left-you can tell it's a metal skeletal structure, covered by a smaller glove. It's not very apparent in pictures-you have to actually look at the model to tell. But the right hand is most definitely smaller.

timetowaste85 wrote:Helbrecht DEFINITELY has a bionic hand-the right hand is quite a bit smaller than the left-you can tell it's a metal skeletal structure, covered by a smaller glove. It's not very apparent in pictures-you have to actually look at the model to tell. But the right hand is most definitely smaller.

That is correct. Helbrecht's model has always had this bionic arm. That is why there is now fluff references to it.