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Are mystics psykers?
Technically it says it in the description that they are "minor psykers" but I was wondering if they each counted as a seperate psyker for potentially having a bus of them for a Culexus assasin's shooting profile modification purpose.

Daemonhost - if you have a group of more than 1, do you have to roll for them seperately or just as a group?

Is the daemonhost ever considered a psychic? (I know the codex daemons specifically says"there attacks are not psychic powers) but does this extend to the daemonhost?

For the space monkies, if you roll for a combined greater than a 6 score, it counts as as 6 right? I think that's what the FAQ meant but just wanted to double check i.e. I have 2 monkies, and I roll a 6, that automaticaly gives me a 6 I'm assuming so then I'd go on to roll for the rest.

If I get the bonus to range, does that make it so my multi-melta is now 36' range with 2d6 pen at 18' and similarly for regular melta guys in the squad too?
The increased range has no effect on rapid fire though right? Still 12'?

The Shrouding for the librarian's 6' effect would affect everything measured from each end of the hull of a vehicle correct? So if he was in a land raider, would the radius actually be pretty large? How about if he was in a storm raven? Measure from where and how do you deal with the vertical component?

sudojoe wrote:Are mystics psykers?
Technically it says it in the description that they are "minor psykers" but I was wondering if they each counted as a seperate psyker for potentially having a bus of them for a Culexus assasin's shooting profile modification purpose.

No they do not have the psyker rule or any psychic powers.

sudojoe wrote:Daemonhost - if you have a group of more than 1, do you have to roll for them seperately or just as a group?

Together, I believe that this is stated in the codex.

sudojoe wrote:Is the daemonhost ever considered a psychic? (I know the codex daemons specifically says"there attacks are not psychic powers) but does this extend to the daemonhost?

No again see above statement.

sudojoe wrote:For the space monkies, if you roll for a combined greater than a 6 score, it counts as as 6 right? I think that's what the FAQ meant but just wanted to double check i.e. I have 2 monkies, and I roll a 6, that automaticaly gives me a 6 I'm assuming so then I'd go on to roll for the rest.

it would count as an 8 but the rule for roll again twice says 6+ as total. If on the two extra rolls you get a 4 or more on the dice nothing happens.

sudojoe wrote:If I get the bonus to range, does that make it so my multi-melta is now 36' range with 2d6 pen at 18' and similarly for regular melta guys in the squad too?
The increased range has no effect on rapid fire though right? Still 12'?

Yes this is correct

sudojoe wrote:The Shrouding for the librarian's 6' effect would affect everything measured from each end of the hull of a vehicle correct? So if he was in a land raider, would the radius actually be pretty large? How about if he was in a storm raven? Measure from where and how do you deal with the vertical component?

This is also correct. For the stormraven, it is measured as if it were in 2D space (no vertical component); just measure 6" out from the wings and it applies to everything below that.

sudojoe wrote:Are mystics psykers?
Technically it says it in the description that they are "minor psykers" but I was wondering if they each counted as a seperate psyker for potentially having a bus of them for a Culexus assasin's shooting profile modification purpose.

Nothing in the rules says that they are considered psykers, so I'd be inclined to say no. I know there's the precedent set for plasma weapons bent defined by fluff in the FAQ, though, so I'd be happy to play either way.

Daemonhost - if you have a group of more than 1, do you have to roll for them seperately or just as a group?

You roll a single D6 for the effects of all Daemonhosts in the unit.

Is the daemonhost ever considered a psychic? (I know the codex daemons specifically says"there attacks are not psychic powers) but does this extend to the daemonhost?

You shouldn't need to refer to C:CD to interpret a rule in C:GK, but there are no rules saying that they are psykers. I'd say they are definitely not psykers.

For the space monkies, if you roll for a combined greater than a 6 score, it counts as as 6 right? I think that's what the FAQ meant but just wanted to double check i.e. I have 2 monkies, and I roll a 6, that automaticaly gives me a 6 I'm assuming so then I'd go on to roll for the rest.

I don't understand the question, are you asking whether rolling higher than a 6 is the same as rolling a 6? The answer to that is yes, as the chart goes up to "6+"; therefore, if you roll a 6 or more after bonuses, then you get to roll twice again on the chart. The FAQ is only saying that having too many monkeys will result in the rolls having no effect.

If I get the bonus to range, does that make it so my multi-melta is now 36' range with 2d6 pen at 18' and similarly for regular melta guys in the squad too?
The increased range has no effect on rapid fire though right? Still 12'?

Yes, the multimeta range increases to 36" so the half range for the melta rule will be increased appropriately. Rapid fire weapons do not increase the range for two shots, though, as that is a set distance rather than being in any way related to the weapon's max range. It's the same reason why Firewarrior pulse weapons do not shoot twice at 15".

The Shrouding for the librarian's 6' effect would affect everything measured from each end of the hull of a vehicle correct? So if he was in a land raider, would the radius actually be pretty large? How about if he was in a storm raven? Measure from where and how do you deal with the vertical component?

Measure from the hull of the vehicle to the base of the target. For skimmers, you ignore the base except for assaults (and dis-/embarking, in the case of Stormravens), so still measure from the hull. Yes, this means that you should measure downwards frm the hull (there's another thread with a discussion on this sort of thing).

Hope that helps.

ahh thanks for the quick replies. I was kind of getting ideas actually from reading the FAQ since so many things I didn't know even counted as plasma weapons were counted as plasma apparently so I started looking for ways to see how the rules are actually interperated.

Since Mystics said they were minor psykers I thought it'd count as well.

The storm raven base is some 5' high, so I'd have to measure from the bottom of the wing to the top of the model or to the base of the model?

sudojoe wrote:

The storm raven base is some 5' high, so I'd have to measure from the bottom of the wing to the top of the model or to the base of the model?

Base of the model, by RAW. From what I've seen, most people just measure out on a 2D plane, though.

All measurements to models with bases are, by default, to the base of the model. So you measure to the base of the model from anywhere on the hull of the vehicle, and if they are within 6" they are affected by Shrouding.

Thanks for the clarifications all, I guess I'm just back to the drawing board as I really wanted to make the culuxus assasin work somehow. The mystics idea getting shot down pretty much ruined the whole thing lol Oh well back to random brainstorming.

Why not use Psykers ?

Magpie wrote:Why not use Psykers ?

cause they still just count as 1 even if you had 10 of them in a can right behind the assasin. "For the purposes of psychic tests, etc..." That Etc in there pretty much made sure they can't be considered as anything but 1 for trying to buff the culuxus.

Really wished the assasin's power worked like mindshackle scarabs XD Shoot themselves if fail!

No they only count as one if they are acting together to shoot etc. The rule for the Assassin just says every Psyker within 12"

So you have a warband of 12 Psykers + a Psyker upgraded Inquisitor and maybe the libby standing by and that is 14 shots!

Or in a friendly 2v2 game (or apocalypse) with Eldar as your partner: 2 Fareer each with 10 Warlocks, plus 1 Warlock with 6 groups of Guardians, and possibly 1 warlock with 3 groups of wraithguard, we're looking at up to 31 psykers strategically placed within 12" of the assassin. That's gonna cause what, 32 shots?

Magpie wrote:No they only count as one if they are acting together to shoot etc. The rule for the Assassin just says every Psyker within 12"

So you have a warband of 12 Psykers + a Psyker upgraded Inquisitor and maybe the libby standing by and that is 14 shots!

The psyker squads have the same verbage as the brotherhood of psykers or at least close enough that so far no one else has agreed that they count as individual psykers. The one unit counts as just one due to the vague etc. word in there to make it apply to any and all situations. I'd love it if it was true however as I have the model and love the fluff but can't find a good use for the guy/gal.

No sorry no way am I ever going to overrule "every Psyker within 12" with "etc."

The Brotherhood of Psykers says "the unit counts as a single psyker" without qualification where the Psyker band says all psykers in the "unit are treated as a single psyker for the purposes of psychic tests etc."

So that looks to me that they are a only a single psyker for certain situations otherwise I would have thought the rule would say "all psykers in the unit count as a single psyker " without qualification in a similar manner to the brotherhood rule.

Interesting to note too that the more restrictive ruling for the Brotherhood,i.e. they are always one psyker doesn't mean they share perils of the warp but the other guys do.




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Happyjew wrote:Or in a friendly 2v2 game (or apocalypse) with Eldar as your partner: 2 Fareer each with 10 Warlocks, plus 1 Warlock with 6 groups of Guardians, and possibly 1 warlock with 3 groups of wraithguard, we're looking at up to 31 psykers strategically placed within 12" of the assassin. That's gonna cause what, 32 shots?

Thing is too if the enemy is silly enough to have his psykers within range .... +++++

"unit are treated as a single psyker for the purposes of psychic tests etc."

Etc. is going to mean for all other purposes not specifically excepted.

Actually etcetera means "continuing in the same way" or "more of the same" which when given a single instance to define the way is pretty open ended.

The only thing you can draw from it is that they act as a single psyker for tests against their stats.

Would you say that if you shot one of them with a Condemner Crossbow they'd all cop it?

Would you say that if you shot one of them with a Condemner Crossbow they'd all cop it?

actually yes, a perils suffered for any reason kill perils the whole group. Wierdly enough if you get lucky with space monkey shield rolling, some may survive it XD

That brings me to another question. Does the Jokoro increase in range apply to psyker shooting attacks too?

Still think the group psyker only applies to the Psychic Barrage as that is the special rule under which all this is grouped.

As for Jokero I think his range increase only applies to weapons and psychic powers aren't weapons as such

From memory they dont actually HAVE the psyker rule - the only time they permission to be a psyker is when they only count as a single psyker.

Yeah, despite being called Psykers, the Psyker henchmen lack the "Psyker" special rule, so the only thing that would give the Culexis an extra shot would be their group psyker rule, otherwise they wouldn't actually BE psykers.

So One shot per henchman squad containing a psyker.

As to the psychic shooting attack range question, the rule for the Joakero specifies "non template shooting weapons", so yeah, it wouldn't effect it

Now I have heard everything a unit called a Psyker isn't a psyker.

Magpie wrote:Now I have heard everything a unit called a Psyker isn't a psyker.

Ah, so Heavy Flamers are Heavy, 1 yes?

Oh no, they're Assault weapons.

Apparently the name of a unit doesnt define its' special rules

Your trying to tell me they are called Psykers, they have a psychic power and they suffer perils of the warp but they are not a psyker ?

I'm trying to point out that, just because you call something "Psyker", or "Heavy", or "Assault" does not mean it has to have those special rules.

INDIVIDUALLY they are NOT psykers. COLLECTIVELY they are a SINGLE psyker

If you wish to continue down this path please find the "psyker" special rule in their entry. When you cannot find it, come back and indicate you now understand the point

So the Grey Knights themselves aren't Psykers either?

Read their rules.

Magpie wrote:So the Grey Knights themselves aren't Psykers either?

Ooooh look - they have the BoP rule, whcih tells you HOW you are psykers. Shock.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Magpie wrote:So the Grey Knights themselves aren't Psykers either?

Ooooh look - they have the BoP rule, whcih tells you HOW you are psykers. Shock.

Really helpful, posts like that mate

Given you didnt appear to be reading the units special rules, it was entirely appropriate.

Non-Mastery Level GKs are not, individually, psykers. The entire book was written to not have lots and lots and individual psykers around, to stop the culexus having an assault 30 weapon