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Played a game the other day and the following situation arose...(see image)

Basically vindicator tank ended up facing into the corner of a wall and then in the following turn, the enemy surrounded it with a few models. - Nobody actually assaulted it though. (1.1 inch away)

Given the fact that a vehicle cannot pass through another model unless tank shocking, and to tank shock you need to pivot/line it up 1st, and then judge distance, can you technically move it? or could you say it way blocked in?

on a different note, can you tank shock with vehice that's not a tank? - Like an ork buggy?

You can tank shock with any non-walker vehicle IIRC.
Regarding your other question, I'm pretty sure you can "tank shock" by pivoting, but I don't have the rulebook on my atm.

Tank is a vehicle type and tanks are the only ones who can tank shock so I'd guess no to the Ork Buggy

Rule book says pivoting isn't enough. You don't really have to line up anything, I'd just back the sucker up and run over any bastard who is in the way.

BRB states that if you pivot a vehicle that has models in b2b contact, you pivot the vehicle and then place the models back into b2b. It is NOT considered a tank shock of any sort.

I don't have the rulebook in front of me, but I do recall that coming up and having to look it up.

Yeh but the models aren't in base contact they are outside 1"

Check the brb. I think you can pivot and they still get moved without it being considered a tank shock.

Cheers

We just used our common sense and simply said it pivot without issue, just wondered what the official ruling was...

It says quite clearly they have to be in base contact to move when you pivot, but thank fully common sense and consensus prevails !

Actually, it says on p63 to just move models that are in the way. Nothing about being in b2b.

@Green is Best!: Yes it does. The second paragraph under Successive turns refers to the models already in b2b with your vehicle.

This is to prevent people from rotating their vehicle and shoot all their weapons while effectively denying the opponent the second swing in the assault phase.

Well, I don't have it in front of me right now, but I took it to mean any model that your vehicle that either
a. starts the pivot in b2b contact
b. will hit a model while pivoting.

As I read it, it was to prevent an opponent from allowing you to turn by surrounding your vehicle with infantry. You can turn as much as you want, but in order to go forward (thru enemy models) you have to tank shock.

Magpie wrote:You don't really have to line up anything, I'd just back the sucker up and run over any bastard who is in the way.

You can't back up and then Tank Shock in the same turn.

There is no real distinction between forwards and backwards in tank movement.

The rule does say after being lined up the tank moves "straight forward" but I am not convinced that precludes tank shocking in reverse, I read it more like moving the unit straight in the direction it is pointing, either forward or backward.

But it certainly seems more logical to me that units that might be in the way of a vehicle pivoting are moved out of the way in this instance. Playing it this way tho' could open up a fair bit of abuse.

Magpie wrote:I read it more like moving the unit straight in the direction it is pointing, either forward or backward.

Yes. I thought you were saying, "Pivot, back up 1", then Tank Shock forward" when you said "back that sucker up". Sorry.

It's a vindicator! Drive through the damn wall!

^^ agree as long as you have a seige sheild

Seige shield should allow you to ram a ruin. Everyone inside will have to jump out and take a Str 3 AP - attack. Even the fluff supports this.

And if you tank shock me in reverse I am punching rear armour. I will take that I guess. Unless your a land raider on mono lol.

Think i read somewhere that RAW says nothing about having to travel the way the belts point. You could just slam the infantry with your side. Seems stupid and clearly against RAI, and my playcrew made a housrule that disaloves tracked vehicles from "sliding", but i do think it's legal from a RAWs point of view.

IG-Sqroot wrote:Think i read somewhere that RAW says nothing about having to travel the way the belts point. You could just slam the infantry with your side. Seems stupid and clearly against RAI, and my playcrew made a housrule that disaloves tracked vehicles from "sliding", but i do think it's legal from a RAWs point of view.

Normal movement does not have any direction associated with it; tank shock(and Ram, by extension) specify forward movement only(brb page 68, under tank shock, 5th paragraph).

Ah, good:-) Clears that up at least. Cheers.

Kommissar Kel wrote:

IG-Sqroot wrote:Think i read somewhere that RAW says nothing about having to travel the way the belts point. You could just slam the infantry with your side. Seems stupid and clearly against RAI, and my playcrew made a housrule that disaloves tracked vehicles from "sliding", but i do think it's legal from a RAWs point of view.

Normal movement does not have any direction associated with it; tank shock(and Ram, by extension) specify forward movement only(brb page 68, under tank shock, 5th paragraph).

Yeh there are several references in the rules that point to it having to be done forwards. Withdraw my earlier advice to "back over the sucker"

Magpie wrote:

Kommissar Kel wrote:

IG-Sqroot wrote:Think i read somewhere that RAW says nothing about having to travel the way the belts point. You could just slam the infantry with your side. Seems stupid and clearly against RAI, and my playcrew made a housrule that disaloves tracked vehicles from "sliding", but i do think it's legal from a RAWs point of view.

Normal movement does not have any direction associated with it; tank shock(and Ram, by extension) specify forward movement only(brb page 68, under tank shock, 5th paragraph).

Yeh there are several references in the rules that point to it having to be done forwards. Withdraw my earlier advice to "back over the sucker"

Sure enough does those rules.
If by "several references" you mean "explicitly states in no uncertain terms".

Just to clear up my point on this, the quote(BRB, page 68, Tank shock, fifth paragraph, first sentence, located at the top of the second column): "Once the vehicle has been 'aimed'and the speed declared, move the vehicle straight forward until it comes into contact with an enemy unit or it reaches the distance declared - no other changes of direction are allowed during a tank shock."

As you can see, the rules are crystal clear on this point.

so we take that original diagram, the tank cannot pivot because to do so it would have to pivot over models that are not in base to base with it. Since the pivot move is not a tank shock, and since you cannot move within an inch of enemy models unless you are tank shocking or assaulting, then the tank cannot pivot. Since it cannot tank shock backward, it is effectively stuck by those three grots that are standing one inch away from it in a manner that would force it to have to get closer than one inch to them to pivot.
This seems the case at least in RAW. In RAI you have to move combat speed to tank shock, and no way are you moving combat speed while you're pivoting in place trying to make a 3 point turn, I think the rule about those models in b2b are there simply to keep an unmoving vehicle from shaking off assaulters that are already in b2b. In common sense however I don't see a couple of grots stopping a steam roller from turning around when it wants to.

RAW-wise, that vehicle is screwed.

Fluffy-wise, sure grots won't be able to do anything but imagine a bunch of marines with grenade readying to drop it under your tank as it rotates close enough.

Now, even in tourney, I don't think you will have a problem asking your opponent to allow you to flip it around and tank shock out.

Of course, if you happen to meet that guy who insists that your terminator moving into the board rolls a 1 for slow-and-steady movement is destroyed, there is not much you can do.