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HQ:
Librarian, Vortex, Nullzone

Elites:
Rifle Dread
Rifle Dread
Rifle Dread

Troops
Tactical Marines, Las, Melta (x10)
Las/Plas Razor Back
Tactical Marines, Las, Melta (x10)
Las/Plas Razor Back
Tactical Marines, Las, Melta (x10)
Las/Plas Razor Back

Fast Attack:
Landspeeder w/ 2x MultiMelta
Landspeeder w/ 2x MultiMelta

Heavy Support:
Devastators 4x Missiles
Devastators 4x Missiles
Devastators 4x Missiles

The Marines are Combat squaded so the Las Cannon is outside and The libby is in a razor back...and yeah have fun lol

Drop the Devastators, pick up tanks like Predators or Vindicators.

How many points is this? I'd figure it out, but i'm feeling a bit lazy after heroic modes on WoW tonight.

1835. Why are predators better?

They are 85pts if you are running autocannons, for 3 S7 shots, and two heavy bolters, and can't be taken down by bolter fire.

5 Devastators with 4 Missile Launchers is 135pts, for 4 S8 shots. And can be taken down by bolter fire.

I'd prefer a vindicator over both, 115pts for a S10 Ap1 Large Blast, but, that's me.

If he had a MotF, dreads would be better as they're now heavy support.

I agree with Myrrodin
Crazy Terran....O.o No Auto Cannon shoots more then two shots, and the demolisher cannon is AP2...And i can never see the point of taking a pred without Auto/Las TWO shots S7 and 6 shots S5 will not be as effective against tanks or against infantry as the rocket squads. Vindicators are Meh in all honesty I mean 1 large blast S 10 Ap 2. you might mess up and Ork mob with three of these guys but they arent very effective in the metta game. ESPECIALLY since its cover-hammer 40k.the Point difference between the worthwhile predators and the Devastator squads would only save me about 60 points total which really doesnt matter, and yes it is possible to kill the devastators with bolters. If a unit equipped with bolters got to my devastator line WAY in the back of the board i clearly was not playing well was i?


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Also Devastor squads wont die to a single las cannon and cant be shaken.

Wow, I haven't used Autocannons in a while, and totally blanked on the Demolisher Cannon. (which is bad because I use 2-3 Vindicators at all times)

At high point games, something is going to get to your back, whether it's deep striking, or what have you. 12 Missile Launchers, while sounding great, is a lot less scary than armor.

Your right, it's coverhammer. So, how do Missile Launchers do any better against Hordes in Coverhammer, other than costing more points..?

And, if this is your list, why not run it as Blood Angels, since, you get cheaper everything without using anything the vanilla marines have better, like Vulkan, or Assault Termies.

Also,

One lascannon can take out a devastator marine, or one small blast can, or one.. say... demolisher shell can?

Yeah ahaha the ordnance In combo with AP 1 could get fingers pointed at you for cheating lol

Lol Deep striking will effect the Predator just as badly, especially if there is a melta in the squad?

Well its better against Hordes then the predator because it launches 4 S4 small blasts per squad obviously.

Oh this isnt my army lol, i'm running my first marine army because i'm getting a fully painted and based death wing 1850 for $275 from a friend. i just make lists and toss them up here for fun

And lastly yes a Las cannon can kill a single devastator, most likely the one without a missile launcher, or better yet cover could be made. And oh a demolisher template could destroy a squad, but i have double your range so who's to say i didnt destroy, immobilize or funniest of all, weapon destroy you along the way?

Cause that range is 24" and you set up 24" apart, if you have first turn, trundle forward 6" and hey presto! Your in range! But seriously, vindicators and SO much better than devastators, I know this because I have experimented with devastators and vindicators.

By taking vindicators you can even get another land speeder with two MM in there with 35 pts left is something nice for your libby.

6 scout squads each with missles..
3 (5man) sternguard with 2 missles
3 (5man) Devestators with 4 missles
3 squadrons of typhoon landspeeders (3 landspeeder)
Pedro kantor.


That's 70 models. 9 scoring units. And 42 Missle launches. Yes 42. 2290 points. Can always take stuff out. But THAT, is a gunline.

Feeder_of_life wrote:Yeah ahaha the ordnance In combo with AP 1 could get fingers pointed at you for cheating lol

Lol Deep striking will effect the Predator just as badly, especially if there is a melta in the squad?

Well its better against Hordes then the predator because it launches 4 S4 small blasts per squad obviously.

Oh this isnt my army lol, i'm running my first marine army because i'm getting a fully painted and based death wing 1850 for $275 from a friend. i just make lists and toss them up here for fun

And lastly yes a Las cannon can kill a single devastator, most likely the one without a missile launcher, or better yet cover could be made. And oh a demolisher template could destroy a squad, but i have double your range so who's to say i didnt destroy, immobilize or funniest of all, weapon destroy you along the way?

madman12367 wrote:Cause that range is 24" and you set up 24" apart, if you have first turn, trundle forward 6" and hey presto! Your in range! But seriously, vindicators and SO much better than devastators, I know this because I have experimented with devastators and vindicators.

By taking vindicators you can even get another land speeder with two MM in there with 35 pts left is something nice for your libby.

I'm just going to quote his reply and use that as my answer. There's a reason no Vanilla marines run Devastators, man. I have a few sets of them sitting on the proverbial shelf. And, I've never used them as AP1, just made that really dumb call there off hand when i was thinking about weapons. (Been thinking about meltas a lot, I used to use more Plasma Guns and such till I started reading things on these boards.)

Devil Dog wrote:6 scout squads each with missles..
3 (5man) sternguard with 2 missles
3 (5man) Devestators with 4 missles
3 squadrons of typhoon landspeeders (3 landspeeder)
Pedro kantor.


That's 70 models. 9 scoring units. And 42 Missle launches. Yes 42. 2290 points. Can always take stuff out. But THAT, is a gunline.

Oh my lord. I think I got scared thinking about it.

Try space wolves.

I'm not going to recommend more tanks since this is a Gunline list, and gunlines are masses of infantry.

I'd say A, go with the HQ suggestion above and get the Master of the forge with a Conversion Beamer.

Next swap one Dev squad for a Thunderfire cannon. The Techmarines that comes with it will be quite useful still if the gun dies.

This gives you some awesome anti infantry firepower and increased cover saves on two pieces of terrain for your heavy weapon squads.

MFletch wrote:Try space wolves.

While I usually find these kind of comments quite pointless it is sadly very true. Vanilla devs are hugely overcosted. For 10 pts less a SW player will get one more ML and those MLs can split fire...

At 2k SW can make a guneline list with more melta, more MLs, more Lascannons, more Str 7 shooting, decent anti horde, better psy def, proper counter charge units. A vanilla list truly has very little going for it. But Kantor can be used to put out cheap pseudo lascannon devs that are scoring. That is about the only thing vanilla has got.

tedurur wrote:

MFletch wrote:Try space wolves.

While I usually find these kind of comments quite pointless it is sadly very true. Vanilla devs are hugely overcosted. For 10 pts less a SW player will get one more ML and those MLs can split fire...

At 2k SW can make a guneline list with more melta, more MLs, more Lascannons, more Str 7 shooting, decent anti horde, better psy def, proper counter charge units. A vanilla list truly has very little going for it. But Kantor can be used to put out cheap pseudo lascannon devs that are scoring. That is about the only thing vanilla has got.

I am assuming you are referring to Sternguard. Imo if you are taking special weapons on a sternguard squad you are losing the best part about them: the special ammo.

I was more referring to the original list. Where all the units are better or the same in the space wolves codex.

It is quite possible to build a very reasonable form of a gunline using the vanilla codex. Which is the discussion going on.

Oh hell yeah i'd use Wolves for a gunline if i were going to build one. This was just for fun haha, i think i'd probably build Mech angels if i was really gonna go gunline or you know...Imperial guard? But I dont think a turn of just shooting is that much fun..Ergo i play Nids and Death wing. I will admit the 42 rocket list was pretty scary though...


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@madman12367 I just need to poke wholes in your logic...any half decent player wouldnt set up at the 12 inch line if it happened to be Pitched or Spearhead if he knew there was 1 or more vindicators in his opponents army, that would be dumb...I can do that because i play 6 MCs and 9 hive guard so 1 S 10 hit isnt gonna do much, anyone else wouldnt even give it a chance to launch more then one shell. Devastators arent very good and in my experience, vindicators arent any better neither of them suck but neither are spectacular.