Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Since Eldritch Storm does not require LoS (like say Mind War does) can it be used within a vehicle? Likewise, if it can should it take up the vehicle's shooting phase?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I personally would think it would at worst work like:

A. Able to shoot inside the vehicle, with our without shooting points (since you do not need LoS).
B. It would consume the vehicle's shooting phase, at worst.
C. It could not be used after going flat out, at worst.

But then again, the shooting form a Rhino does not consume that vehicle's shooting phase. So any input?

If Wave Serpents had a FP, then you could use it, however since there are no fire points, you can not shoot anything out of it.

Happyjew wrote:If Wave Serpents had a FP, then you could use it, however since there are no fire points, you can not shoot anything out of it.

Even if I do not need LoS?

No using of a PSA without a fire point, even if it doesn't require LOS.

It is still classed as a shooting attack, so requires a fire point first.

NO eldar transport has a fire point.

Thanks

Why doesn't Eldritch Storm require LOS? It's a PSA and I don't see anything that says it doesn't need LOS.

Grakmar wrote:Why doesn't Eldritch Storm require LOS? It's a PSA and I don't see anything that says it doesn't need LOS.

First paragraph on page 28 of the Eldar codex states they dont require line of sight unless noted otherwise, which it is not noted otherwise in eldritch storm

The eldar psyker rules as a whole state that unless otherwise stated the powers do not require LoS. However Eldritch storm was later clarified as a PSA and PSA requires a fire point.

Galador wrote:

Grakmar wrote:Why doesn't Eldritch Storm require LOS? It's a PSA and I don't see anything that says it doesn't need LOS.

First paragraph on page 28 of the Eldar codex states they dont require line of sight unless noted otherwise, which it is not noted otherwise in eldritch storm

But if it's specified as a PSA, that by definition requires line of sight - hence stating otherwise.

Q. Which Eldar psychic powers are psychic shooting
attacks? (p28)
A. Destructor, Eldritch Storm and Mind War (though
they include a few exceptions to the normal shooting
rules, as specified in their description).

Would guess that is the FAQ you are referring to, and you should read the parenthesis part.

Galador wrote:

Grakmar wrote:Why doesn't Eldritch Storm require LOS? It's a PSA and I don't see anything that says it doesn't need LOS.

First paragraph on page 28 of the Eldar codex states they dont require line of sight unless noted otherwise, which it is not noted otherwise in eldritch storm

Thanks! I hadn't noticed that.

Also, good job ninja'ing BlueDagger. That guys a jerk!

Grakmar casts Defamitory Comment.
BlueDagger suffers -15 to self esteem.
BlueDagger cries.

Happyjew casts 'Raise Self Esteem' on BlueDagger.
'Raise Self Esteem' fails.
Happyjew is Confused.
Happyjew hurts himself for sheer stupidity.

BlueDagger wrote:Grakmar casts Defamitory Comment.
BlueDagger suffers -15 to self esteem.
BlueDagger cries.

Happyjew wrote:Happyjew casts 'Raise Self Esteem' on BlueDagger.
'Raise Self Esteem' fails.
Happyjew is Confused.
Happyjew hurts himself for sheer stupidity.

And this is why I play Dark Eldar, cause you Eldar guys are just way too sensitive!(Although it does make your souls taste just a little bit better!)

Galador wrote:Q. Which Eldar psychic powers are psychic shooting
attacks? (p28)
A. Destructor, Eldritch Storm and Mind War (though
they include a few exceptions to the normal shooting
rules, as specified in their description).

Would guess that is the FAQ you are referring to, and you should read the parenthesis part.

Right - that specifies that they are PSAs. That FAQ also says that there are exceptions noted in their descriptions.

What line in the Eldritch Storm description overrides the Line of Sight requirement of a PSA?

PSAs specifically state they require a fire point to be used while embarked. Eldar vehicles have no fire points.

rigeld2 wrote:

Galador wrote:Q. Which Eldar psychic powers are psychic shooting
attacks? (p28)
A. Destructor, Eldritch Storm and Mind War (though
they include a few exceptions to the normal shooting
rules, as specified in their description).

Would guess that is the FAQ you are referring to, and you should read the parenthesis part.

Right - that specifies that they are PSAs. That FAQ also says that there are exceptions noted in their descriptions.

What line in the Eldritch Storm description overrides the Line of Sight requirement of a PSA?

The question concerns all the psychic powers, and on page 28 of the Eldar codex is the rules for all the Eldar Psychic powers. The line that overrides the LOS for Eldritch storm is the first paragraph on the page that states "Unless otherwise noted, these powers work as described in the Psychic Powers section of the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook, are used at the start of the Eldar turn, and do not require the Eldar psyker to have line of sight..

Specific overrules general, so in this case, that line overrules the need for a PSA to have LOS.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

BlueDagger wrote:

PSAs specifically state they require a fire point to be used while embarked. Eldar vehicles have no fire points.

I quoted nothing about needing a fire point. I stated they dont need LOS. The new FAQ states that PSAs need a fire point, so no, you cant use Eldritch Storm in a Serpent. However, unlike most PSAs, Eldritch Storm does not require LOS, as per the wording of the Eldar codex on pg. 28.

Galador wrote:The question concerns all the psychic powers, and on page 28 of the Eldar codex is the rules for all the Eldar Psychic powers. The line that overrides the LOS for Eldritch storm is the first paragraph on the page that states "Unless otherwise noted, these powers work as described in the Psychic Powers section of the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook, are used at the start of the Eldar turn, and do not require the Eldar psyker to have line of sight..

Specific overrules general, so in this case, that line overrules the need for a PSA to have LOS.

The line on page 28 is in general, Eldar powers do not need LOS, but the power might override. The power specifies PSA. Specific > General.

That was directed toward rigeld. The question stated by dabupp is if you can use Eldritch storm in a Serpent, which is a clear no because you have no fire points regardless of if Eldritch Storm requires LoS or not. If you want to argue the semantics of if Eldar PSAs require LoS or not then start a new thread with that topic, so people know what is being talked about.

BlueDagger wrote:That was directed toward rigeld. The question stated by dabupp is if you can use Eldritch storm in a Serpent, which is a clear no because you have no fire points regardless of if Eldritch Storm requires LoS or not.

I'm not debating the firing point thing - I was addressing the LoS only.

I can start a new thread if needed.

You MUST have a FP to do ANY kind of firing ability. Eldritch Storm is a SHOOTING abiliity and such requires a FP.