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Hi in reading the rule book and searching through the archive I am still not a 100% sure about something. My understanding is that if a unit of marines of mine is in front of a unit of devastator marines of mine, my opponent could target the devastators but they would get a 4+ cover save.

What i am unclear about is if the unit of regular marines were all in base to base contact in front of the devastators cold my opponent still target them at all? My understanding was that the 4+ cover save was for shooting through gaps between marines to the devastator marines behind. So if there is no gap could the devastator marines still be targeted?

Sorry I did not word that the best way,

Thanks,

FTank

If your enemy can see any part of the devastator unit, they can fire at them. It is going to be tough to hide them with another unit, from all possible angles.

Remember that models are assumed to take up every single inch of their base. So if you had a unit of marines- all touching together- in front of another unit, and your opponent's unit couldn't see over the marines in front then they are considered to be untargetable.

"Gaps" is quite literal in 5th edition. The rules aren't talking about gaps between their bases. Firing models can shoot between legs and under arms.

Ignatius wrote:Remember that models are assumed to take up every single inch of their base. So if you had a unit of marines- all touching together- in front of another unit, and your opponent's unit couldn't see over the marines in front then they are considered to be untargetable.

Where are you getting this?

Ignatius wrote:Remember that models are assumed to take up every single inch of their base. So if you had a unit of marines- all touching together- in front of another unit, and your opponent's unit couldn't see over the marines in front then they are considered to be untargetable.

That was a rule in 3rd edition 40k. Not since.

The old 'magic cylinder' strikes again.

The rule does say that all you need to do is be able to see some part of the mini's head.arm.leg or torso to be able to take the shot so I'd reckon you'd being doing pretty well to obscure that entirely with another model.

If you can see even a toe, then you can shoot it.

Nungunz wrote:If you can see even a toe, then you can shoot it.

That's actually very debatable. The rulebook clearly defines the areas that can be targeted as "head, torso, legs and arms" (page 16).

But, it doesn't exactly clarify what it means by "legs" and "arms". There's been plenty of arguments before about if a hand counts as part of the arm.

So, if all you can see is a toe, you should ask your opponent/TO or be prepared to roll-off.

Mannahnin wrote:

Ignatius wrote:Remember that models are assumed to take up every single inch of their base. So if you had a unit of marines- all touching together- in front of another unit, and your opponent's unit couldn't see over the marines in front then they are considered to be untargetable.

That was a rule in 3rd edition 40k. Not since.

Oops. I've been playing that way for a looong time then.

Disregard my statement.