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Hi all,

Got a few questions about the necron codex that I hope can be answered. I apologize if these have been answered elsewhere - my search function doesn't seem to turn up anything useful.

1) Does Anrakyr's Mind in the Machine power count as a shooting attack? Can he target a different unit than the squad he's with? Example: Anrakyr deep strikes down with a group of tesla immortals and a veiltek, the immortals and veiltek shoot a squad of guardsmen, while Anrakyr takes over a leman russ. It doesn't seem to say anywhere in his power that it’s a shooting attack, only that its used in the shooting phase.

2) If a squad assaulting a stormtek's unit with a lightning field is wiped out by the lightning hits, does the stormtek's unit get a massacre move? Example: Stormtek and 5 immortals are assaulted by Marbo, who is vaporized. My gut says they would not, but not sure.

3) Can a monolith deepstrike in and use its portal to teleport a unit through it in the same turn (whether from reserves or a unit already on the table)?

4) Can a monolith potentially use its portal of exile to suck up a dreadnaught or other walker?

5) Potentially silly one, but it happened recently - In Apocalypse, can the monolith's portal be used to suck up a gargantuan creature or superheavy walker? In a recent Apoc game, a monolith moved beside a hierophant bio-titan and sucked it up after the thing failed a strength check. Hilarious, yes, but not sure if the game organizers made the right call on that one…

6) Can a monolith use its big gun the turn it deep strikes in? (Basic rules question I know - just can't find my rule book right now. I'm like 99% positive the answer is "no").

7) When do you roll to see if Imotek can maintain night fight? Beginning of the game turn, or necron player turn?

Any info would be awesome. Sorry for some of the noob questions.

Each of these should be a separate thread. If any two of these questions causes any amount of discussion, this thread will quickly become unreadable. I'd answer but this could be a mess.

NOt sure about most of these as I don't have the necron codex on hand. however for number 7, unless specified to be game turn, turn always means player's turn. If the ability is checked at the beginning of each turn, you would roll on both your turn, and your opponents turn.

Tyr wrote:Hi all,

Got a few questions about the necron codex that I hope can be answered. I apologize if these have been answered elsewhere - my search function doesn't seem to turn up anything useful.

1) Does Anrakyr's Mind in the Machine power count as a shooting attack? Can he target a different unit than the squad he's with? Example: Anrakyr deep strikes down with a group of tesla immortals and a veiltek, the immortals and veiltek shoot a squad of guardsmen, while Anrakyr takes over a leman russ. It doesn't seem to say anywhere in his power that it’s a shooting attack, only that its used in the shooting phase.

2) If a squad assaulting a stormtek's unit with a lightning field is wiped out by the lightning hits, does the stormtek's unit get a massacre move? Example: Stormtek and 5 immortals are assaulted by Marbo, who is vaporized. My gut says they would not, but not sure.

3) Can a monolith deepstrike in and use its portal to teleport a unit through it in the same turn (whether from reserves or a unit already on the table)?

4) Can a monolith potentially use its portal of exile to suck up a dreadnaught or other walker?

5) Potentially silly one, but it happened recently - In Apocalypse, can the monolith's portal be used to suck up a gargantuan creature or superheavy walker? In a recent Apoc game, a monolith moved beside a hierophant bio-titan and sucked it up after the thing failed a strength check. Hilarious, yes, but not sure if the game organizers made the right call on that one…

6) Can a monolith use its big gun the turn it deep strikes in? (Basic rules question I know - just can't find my rule book right now. I'm like 99% positive the answer is "no").

7) When do you roll to see if Imotek can maintain night fight? Beginning of the game turn, or necron player turn?

Any info would be awesome. Sorry for some of the noob questions.

1: I would say no, as you do not roll against the BS value, and it doesn't case any damage directly. I could be wrong though.

2) Yes, as they are still wiped out in CC

3) No. The ability is at the start of the movement phase, and you could not use an ability if the unit arrives from reserve in the same phase (somewhere in the FAQ...don't remember where)

4) Yes, as the model as a S value.

5) I think gargantuan creatures and walkers have some sort of defense from remove-from-play attacks. I am sure its not a one hit kill though

6) Yes. It always counts as stationary, even after deepstriking

7) Game turn. Look in the codex under the "Lord of the Storm". It actually says "subsequent game turns"

1) There is no reason to assume it is a shooting attack any more than a Big Mek attempting to fix a vehicle. Both are done instead of shooting and neither is actually a shooting attack.


2) No massacre result would occur because the combat is never actually fought. To be clear: Once you finish making all assault moves for the phase (and defender's react moves too) then you go to each combat and actually resolve it. It isn't until you actually pick a combat and resolve it that a 'combat' actually happens. And a combat is the only place where a consolidation move is granted.

So in this case, although the unit was assaulted, the enemy was killed before the combat actually happened, so no consolidation move would be granted.


3) Agree with the above...The Monolith's ability is used at the start of the turn, at which point a Monolith in Reserve is not on the table.


4) Yep!


5) Gargantuan creatures just suffer D3 wounds from attacks that just remove models. Super-Heavy walkers though (like Titans) look to be nice fat loophole though.


6) Agreed. A Monolith always counts as stationary when firing.


7) Answered in the codex (game turn).

Nemesor Dave wrote:Each of these should be a separate thread. If any two of these questions causes any amount of discussion, this thread will quickly become unreadable. I'd answer but this could be a mess.

I was worried about that, but didn't want to spam the forum with 6-7 separate posts.

Tyr wrote:
1) Does Anrakyr's Mind in the Machine power count as a shooting attack? Can he target a different unit than the squad he's with? Example: Anrakyr deep strikes down with a group of tesla immortals and a veiltek, the immortals and veiltek shoot a squad of guardsmen, while Anrakyr takes over a leman russ. It doesn't seem to say anywhere in his power that it’s a shooting attack, only that its used in the shooting phase.

Not a shooting attack

2) If a squad assaulting a stormtek's unit with a lightning field is wiped out by the lightning hits, does the stormtek's unit get a massacre move? Example: Stormtek and 5 immortals are assaulted by Marbo, who is vaporized. My gut says they would not, but not sure.

Good question. Does lightning field happen before or after assault moves are completed?

3) Can a monolith deepstrike in and use its portal to teleport a unit through it in the same turn (whether from reserves or a unit already on the table)?

No

4) Can a monolith potentially use its portal of exile to suck up a dreadnaught or other walker?

Unless it has any special restrictions against vehicles, then probably not.

5) Potentially silly one, but it happened recently - In Apocalypse, can the monolith's portal be used to suck up a gargantuan creature or superheavy walker? In a recent Apoc game, a monolith moved beside a hierophant bio-titan and sucked it up after the thing failed a strength check. Hilarious, yes, but not sure if the game organizers made the right call on that one…

No idea. Apoc is a complete and utter mess when it comes to rules.

6) Can a monolith use its big gun the turn it deep strikes in? (Basic rules question I know - just can't find my rule book right now. I'm like 99% positive the answer is "no").

I believe a vehicle the DS's counts as moving at cruising speed. If so, then you may not fire.

7) When do you roll to see if Imotek can maintain night fight? Beginning of the game turn, or necron player turn?

Unless it specifies otherwise, 'turn' always means 'player turn'.

yakface wrote:
1) There is no reason to assume it is a shooting attack any more than a Big Mek attempting to fix a vehicle. Both are done instead of shooting and neither is actually a shooting attack.


2) No massacre result would occur because the combat is never actually fought. To be clear: Once you finish making all assault moves for the phase (and defender's react moves too) then you go to each combat and actually resolve it. It isn't until you actually pick a combat and resolve it that a 'combat' actually happens. And a combat is the only place where a consolidation move is granted.

So in this case, although the unit was assaulted, the enemy was killed before the combat actually happened, so no consolidation move would be granted.


3) Agree with the above...The Monolith's ability is used at the start of the turn, at which point a Monolith in Reserve is not on the table.


4) Yep!


5) Gargantuan creatures just suffer D3 wounds from attacks that just remove models. Super-Heavy walkers though (like Titans) look to be nice fat loophole though.


6) Agreed. A Monolith always counts as stationary when firing.


7) Answered in the codex (game turn).

Thanks Yak!

yakface wrote:
1) There is no reason to assume it is a shooting attack any more than a Big Mek attempting to fix a vehicle. Both are done instead of shooting and neither is actually a shooting attack.

Minor correction here: MitM is not done in place of shooting. It is simply done at the start of the shooting phase (meaning Anrakyr can potentially MitM and fire off his Tachyon Arrow in the same turn).

Nungunz wrote:

6) Can a monolith use its big gun the turn it deep strikes in? (Basic rules question I know - just can't find my rule book right now. I'm like 99% positive the answer is "no").

I believe a vehicle the DS's counts as moving at cruising speed. If so, then you may not fire.

As this was already answered correctly, twice, above you I must ask you...do you own a necron codex? Because, the monolith has always been counted as stationary when firing even when moving. Oddly enough, the only time it doesn't count as stationary now is when it teleports a unit.

Kevin949 wrote:

Nungunz wrote:

6) Can a monolith use its big gun the turn it deep strikes in? (Basic rules question I know - just can't find my rule book right now. I'm like 99% positive the answer is "no").

I believe a vehicle the DS's counts as moving at cruising speed. If so, then you may not fire.

As this was already answered correctly, twice, above you I must ask you...do you own a necron codex? Because, the monolith has always been counted as stationary when firing even when moving. Oddly enough, the only time it doesn't count as stationary now is when it teleports a unit.

The monolith is Heavy. this allows it to always shoot as if it is stationary, so it may always fire one gun. The particle whip is ordinance, so you cannot fire any other guns at the same time.

You may always fire the particle whip OR the flayer arcs but not both (unless of course they are destroyed).

Nemesor Dave wrote:

Kevin949 wrote:

Nungunz wrote:

6) Can a monolith use its big gun the turn it deep strikes in? (Basic rules question I know - just can't find my rule book right now. I'm like 99% positive the answer is "no").

I believe a vehicle the DS's counts as moving at cruising speed. If so, then you may not fire.

As this was already answered correctly, twice, above you I must ask you...do you own a necron codex? Because, the monolith has always been counted as stationary when firing even when moving. Oddly enough, the only time it doesn't count as stationary now is when it teleports a unit.

The monolith is Heavy. this allows it to always shoot as if it is stationary, so it may always fire one gun. The particle whip is ordinance, so you cannot fire any other guns at the same time.

You may always fire the particle whip OR the flayer arcs but not both (unless of course they are destroyed).

Don't forget that you can fire the flux arcs AND the portal of exile if you're in range.

Nemesor Dave wrote:The monolith is Heavy. this allows it to always shoot as if it is stationary, so it may always fire one gun.

Yeah, but the rule pointless as it's restricted to combat speed, the flayer arcs are defensive, and the big gun is ordinance anyway. The "may always fire as being stationary" is a completely redundant and changes absolutely nothing about the Monolith in the first place.

Unless you take it in context with DS, where the vehicle moves a cruising speed. Then the "may always fire as if stationary" is important.

Nungunz wrote:

Nemesor Dave wrote:The monolith is Heavy. this allows it to always shoot as if it is stationary, so it may always fire one gun.

Yeah, but the rule pointless as it's restricted to combat speed, the flayer arcs are defensive, and the big gun is ordinance anyway. The "may always fire as being stationary" is a completely redundant and changes absolutely nothing about the Monolith in the first place.

Until it deepstrikes, when suddenly "Heavy" is quite useful.

On 5):

Lukas the Trickster's Last laugh was FAQ'd to work on Warlord Titans*, and it also removes from play as a casualty, so i'd say yes it can remove Titans, but not Garg. Creatures for the reasons that yak mentioned.

*Q. Does Lukas the Trickster’s The Last Laugh special rule
affect friendly models? How about vehicles? Or
Warlord-class Titans, for that matter? (p52)
A. Yes in all three cases – it affects any unit in base
contact. Stasis fields are very all-or-nothing affairs!

Tyr wrote:1) Does Anrakyr's Mind in the Machine power count as a shooting attack? Can he target a different unit than the squad he's with? Example: Anrakyr deep strikes down with a group of tesla immortals and a veiltek, the immortals and veiltek shoot a squad of guardsmen, while Anrakyr takes over a leman russ. It doesn't seem to say anywhere in his power that it’s a shooting attack, only that its used in the shooting phase.

Yes, as mentioned above its at the start of the phase. If you run an Imotekh/Anrakyr list you roll for the lightening strikes, then the MitM, then you start shooting. Picture this, the squad lands behind the LR and a blob squad. The MitM'd LR takes out half of the blob then the Tek & Immortals kill the rest. Anrakyr then uses the tachyon arrow to destroy the LR on rear armour

2) If a squad assaulting a stormtek's unit with a lightning field is wiped out by the lightning hits, does the stormtek's unit get a massacre move? Example: Stormtek and 5 immortals are assaulted by Marbo, who is vaporized. My gut says they would not, but not sure.

I'd say yes, but others seem to think that you wouldn't, thats a house rule for your game group, that one

3) Can a monolith deepstrike in and use its portal to teleport a unit through it in the same turn (whether from reserves or a unit already on the table)?

No

4) Can a monolith potentially use its portal of exile to suck up a dreadnaught or other walker?

If it has a strength value it can be exiled, same as if it has a toughness value it can be Transdimensionaly Beamed w/ the Transdimensional Beamer

5) Potentially silly one, but it happened recently - In Apocalypse, can the monolith's portal be used to suck up a gargantuan creature or superheavy walker? In a recent Apoc game, a monolith moved beside a hierophant bio-titan and sucked it up after the thing failed a strength check. Hilarious, yes, but not sure if the game organizers made the right call on that one…

I wouldn't know, but someone said D3 wounds, so go with that

6) Can a monolith use its big gun the turn it deep strikes in? (Basic rules question I know - just can't find my rule book right now. I'm like 99% positive the answer is "no").

Yes

7) When do you roll to see if Imotek can maintain night fight? Beginning of the game turn, or necron player turn?

Start of game turn, lightening at start of your shooting phase

Happyjew wrote:Unless you take it in context with DS, where the vehicle moves a cruising speed. Then the "may always fire as if stationary" is important.

Ah, true. My apologies there.