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2012/03/02 16:04:36
Subject: Vectored Engines vs. Flat Out
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I had another argument last night with a stubborn person (the same source of my Runes of Warding thread also) and in a game he was observing, he stated that the Eldar player's Vectored Engines would not stop the Wave Serpent he was moving flat out from becoming a wreck if immobilised during the ram he was attempting.
Unlike the Runes of Warding, where I wasn't too sure if he was right or not (I discovered that he wasn't, but neither was I, only he can't see any further than the end of his own nose and refuses to accept any ambiguity, but this isn't the right thread for that) I was damn sure that he was wrong here.
I said that a vehicle with Vectored Engines would crash due to being immobilised, it instead makes a forced landing as if it had not moved that turn.
He said that unless it says it prevents a vehicle suffering an immobilised result whilst moving flat out from being destroyed, then it doesn't work, and went so far as to flat out ignore me (he just turned away and asked the Eldar player's opponent if I was still speaking), at which point, I just finished my current game and left; it had pretty much ruined my gaming night, not only because he's a stubborn arsehole, but because nobody else seems to want to disagree with him.
Now i'm just looking for some support, because nobody else seemed to agree with me (the other Eldar player did, but having already witnessed this guy's inability to accept anything less than being 100% right, he didn't speak up), and the wording, although pretty damn clear, does say "crash", which is ambiguous (a word that doesn't seem to grace many people's vocabularies), but surely it says enough to avoid the skimmer being wrecked from an immobilised result.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/03/02 17:00:09
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
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2012/03/02 16:23:50
Subject: Vectored Engines vs. Flat Out
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Crash is close enough to "wrecked" that it would be difficult to argue it doesnt work.
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2012/03/02 16:39:01
Subject: Vectored Engines vs. Flat Out
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Eldar Codex wrote:If the vehicle would crash due to being immobilized...
BRB wrote:...a skimmer that is immobilized immediately crashes...if it moved flat out in its last turn
The BRB tells us that if you move flat out and are immobilized you crash (and then tells us what crash means). Vectored Engines tells us what to do if you were to crash from being immobilized, which would override the BRB.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
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2012/03/02 16:54:50
Subject: Vectored Engines vs. Flat Out
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Thank you, hopefully this'll deflate his ego.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/03/02 16:55:04
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
My deviantART Profile - Pay No Attention To The Man Behind The Madness
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation |
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