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Ok so first of all me and my friend just had a heated agument about the chaos defiler. What counts as the hull for assaulting and shooting ?? do the legs count ??

And with vehicles is there a unit coharency and with walkers. we have always played that if you can't be within 2" of friendly units for coherency but we couldn't actually find anything in the BRB that said the you can't be within 2" of a friendly unit.

this all happened because i went to charge an enemy guy with my defiler and i was within 1" of a friendly and we couldn't find any rules to prevent me doing it but if we are wrong could you tell me the page of the BRB.

A) Yes, the legs count as hull. If you look in the rulebook, the vehicle rules tell you (on page 56) that the hull is everything which isn't a gun barrel or a purely decorate element (like a radio antenna or a banner).

B) There is no rule preventing you from being right next to a friendly unit. You can even have two friendly units touching. You just can't have them move OVER/THROUGH one another. As in, you can't cross another model's bases (unless you're Jump Infantry, a Skimmer or Jetbike, in which case you can fly right over, but not end your movement on top of them). Bear in mind that you CAN move BETWEEN the bases of a friendly unit and interweave two units.

C) The rule requiring you to stay 1" away from enemy units is suspended in the assault phase (see p34). You just can't move into base contact with enemy models in a unit you're not assaulting (same page).

This is interesting...I was playing a game last night with my defiler and my friends HQ moved in to assault...but he wasn't within 6" of my defiler's leg that was in contact with the ground. He was however within 6" of the defilers front right claw but it was positioned in an "attack pose" and was not in contact of the hq or the ground. But if you measured vertically, he theoretically would be in contact. Being a good sport I gave it to him, and he crushed my defiler...

You have to make contact to be in assault. if a unit of scarabs somehow gets under the body of the defiler but isn't touching anything, you cannot claim assault there.

It is the same as people who claim that you can have your model assault a valkyrie simply by being under the wing without touching anything. Rules say you need contact, so you need contact(pending WBS etc)

-cgmckenzie

I've always been up in the air for this as well. My defiler is posed rather "bad" for gameplay purposes but epicly as far as poses go! I have him outstretched like he's tearing something his height, it also makes him rather large and hard to give a cover save. But my claw extends out past my legs.. I always assumed you had to touch the feet. Just like a dreadnaught with lascannons.. do you measure from the tip of the gun to let the enemy assault? I'd think not.. and a DCCW is a weapon just as a lascannon is a weapon.

This is why I've made a 5" round base for each of my defilers. No more arguments, and considering that having the base is more of a disadvantage than not, no one complains about using a base when the model didn't come with one.

Most people I have seen that have a defiler with a base have used a blank CD as its base. Again. no complaints from opponents and it solves most of the problems with it.

Soul Grinders also work well with a base.

-cgmkenzie