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Choooo! Chooooooo!

1. How big does each wagons and the engine car is?
2. Its engine systems (Diesel. Steam, Nukes?)
3. classifications in 28mm 40k game system. (Heavy Support OR Super heavies)
4. How many wagons does the train itself usually hauls?
5. Can it transport troops? or is it works as weapons only?
6. Can a current rule and codex really applicable for it should ones been built in 28mm scale and belongs to IG? if you say that the each wagon and its engines are the size of normal Imperial armours. then.... the Loco is the Leman Russ and the wagons are any kind of chimaera-based artilleries. correct?


The train itself. but hey! it seems that each wagon are actually self propelled!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/232190.page?select=-1

1. No idea
2. Something like the plasma reactors the Imperium use
3. It doesn't have one but probably super heavy if it was gonna have one
4. No idea there is probably an upper limit but i'm dammed if i know
5.Troops, tanks and big guns. It's a 1 vehicle convoy.
6. You could do that but it kind defeats the point of it being a train...
No current codex can be applied to it.

That all said it doesn't technically exist... in-universe or outside it...
Go figure...

The Land Train was a super-heavy. It had 2 void shields (with +1 void shield per car pulled after the engine). So that model there would have 6 void shields.

The engine and the battlecars were heavily armored. In Epic, it was 2+ armor save all around for the battlecars and 1+ for the engine, which is heavier than a Leman Russ tank (which was only 2+ on the front).

The battlecars in that picture are respectively from left to right: the rad bomb battlecar, dragon battlecar, berserker battlecar, and mortar battlecar.

The rad bomb was a one shot missile that had a big blast ignoring cover, but with poor armor penetration. Pretty underwhelming as a weapon in Epic unless you are facing large infantry hordes.

The dragon battlecar mounted a flame weapon. So think like an inferno cannon.

The berserker battlecar carried a detachment of 25 Squat infantry and mounted some medium projectile weaponry. Again pretty underwhelming as it was basically like a tank/APC that moved at a slow rate.

The mortar battlecar had a big mortar that was similar to the Imperial Bombard. Passable but when Imperial artillery companies had multiple Bombards, a single lone Bombard equivalent was just not enough.

The engine of the train mounted several battlecannons (each equivalent to a Leman Russ one) and a "Doomsday Cannon" which was a long range blast projectile weapon.

All of this sounds passable on the surface. However under the 2nd edition Epic rules, all it took was one penetrating hit to destroy a battlecar or the engine, compared to Titans which had a damage table. Also, if a battlecar was destroyed in the middle of the chain, all following battlecars were detached from the engine, immobile, and became unshielded. Finally, the requirement to mount one of each kind of battlecar before duplicates, meant the entire Land Train became a mediocre hodge podge of abilities. It had a bit of long range firepower, a bit of close range, a bit of transport ability, all at cripplingly slow speed and at a poor cost in points.

got it.

that's why it doesn't pass on to any IG regiments (but Leviathans.. which used to be Squat weapons, do!)

now if it is classified as super heavy. what are each wagons and the loco unit of those trains are comparable to any contemporary IG superheavies?

- Baneblade (i doubt it)
- Malcador and its variants
- Macharius
- Gorgon
- Crassus & Praetor superheavies (this reminds me of a hobbyist making his own superheavies. I'm not sure if he really gets the Job at the FW?)

Leviathans were in fact available to the Imperial Guard before the Squats' Epic rules were even published.

Lone Cat wrote:got it.

that's why it doesn't pass on to any IG regiments (but Leviathans.. which used to be Squat weapons, do!)

now if it is classified as super heavy. what are each wagons and the loco unit of those trains are comparable to any contemporary IG superheavies?

- Baneblade (i doubt it)
- Malcador and its variants
- Macharius
- Gorgon
- Crassus & Praetor superheavies (this reminds me of a hobbyist making his own superheavies. I'm not sure if he really gets the Job at the FW?)

What's wrong with the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT or the PRAETOR ARMOURED ASSAULT LAUNCHER?

I've felt that I've seen 'amateur' works sometimes before FW released Crassus. a hobbyist (can't remember who? possibly a Dakka member). had created a superheavy transport that aesthetically, and dimensionally (almost) identical to FW Crassus. the materials primilay used in the construction was 'white plastic P.E. materials (plasticards and plastic rods).

=^.^=

Considering that the Crassus is based off a real world vehicle which has been featured in film and video games before, that shouldn't be too big of a surprise.

Some people have also made the Capitol Imperialis in 40k scale. That thing is monstrous as in the Epic game it can hold six super heavy Imperial Guard tanks inside of it or two full Imperial Guard Companies.

Kanluwen wrote:Considering that the Crassus is based off a real world vehicle which has been featured in film and video games before, that shouldn't be too big of a surprise.

Oh really? What has it been based off of?

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Considering that the Crassus is based off a real world vehicle which has been featured in film and video games before, that shouldn't be too big of a surprise.

Oh really? What has it been based off of?

The Amtrac
There's one in BF3...
Though fairly sure it has another name and it's not just the Amtrac...
Damned if i remember it though...

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Considering that the Crassus is based off a real world vehicle which has been featured in film and video games before, that shouldn't be too big of a surprise.

Oh really? What has it been based off of?

The USMC's "Amphibious Assault Vehicle".

You have it backwards. The USMC's thing is based off the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT

Didn't GW make a full-sized Imperial armoured train for some special event? Maybe you could extrapolate how big the engine would be based off pictures of that thing.

I remember seeing a guard gorgon transport in the window of a GW store back in the mid 90s (pre-3rd ed) made from several land raiders (used to be the manager of the store's).

It was built based on epic pictures and models, and scaled up to 28mm. The same window had a Vyper with fighting platform (something which I don't recall from 2nd ed - but I didn't play it much - but was definitely an option for a certain character in 3rd).

CuddlySquig wrote:You have it backwards. The USMC's thing is based off the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT

Didn't GW make a full-sized Imperial armoured train for some special event? Maybe you could extrapolate how big the engine would be based off pictures of that thing.

You're thinking of this.

Chowderhead wrote:

CuddlySquig wrote:You have it backwards. The USMC's thing is based off the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT

Didn't GW make a full-sized Imperial armoured train for some special event? Maybe you could extrapolate how big the engine would be based off pictures of that thing.

You're thinking of this.

I found it

I was thinking of this

Yeah, that's not really a "military" piece however.

The Land Train was a super-heavy. It had 2 void shields (with +1 void shield per car pulled after the engine). So that model there would have 6 void shields.

The engine and the battlecars were heavily armored. In Epic, it was 2+ armor save all around for the battlecars and 1+ for the engine, which is heavier than a Leman Russ tank (which was only 2+ on the front).

The battlecars in that picture are respectively from left to right: the rad bomb battlecar, dragon battlecar, berserker battlecar, and mortar battlecar.

The rad bomb was a one shot missile that had a big blast ignoring cover, but with poor armor penetration. Pretty underwhelming as a weapon in Epic unless you are facing large infantry hordes.

The dragon battlecar mounted a flame weapon. So think like an inferno cannon.

The berserker battlecar carried a detachment of 25 Squat infantry and mounted some medium projectile weaponry. Again pretty underwhelming as it was basically like a tank/APC that moved at a slow rate.

The mortar battlecar had a big mortar that was similar to the Imperial Bombard. Passable but when Imperial artillery companies had multiple Bombards, a single lone Bombard equivalent was just not enough.

The engine of the train mounted several battlecannons (each equivalent to a Leman Russ one) and a "Doomsday Cannon" which was a long range blast projectile weapon.

All of this sounds passable on the surface. However under the 2nd edition Epic rules, all it took was one penetrating hit to destroy a battlecar or the engine, compared to Titans which had a damage table. Also, if a battlecar was destroyed in the middle of the chain, all following battlecars were detached from the engine, immobile, and became unshielded. Finally, the requirement to mount one of each kind of battlecar before duplicates, meant the entire Land Train became a mediocre hodge podge of abilities. It had a bit of long range firepower, a bit of close range, a bit of transport ability, all at cripplingly slow speed and at a poor cost in points.

Really interesting info, thanks.

Speaking of squat vehicles can anyone post a pic of a cyclops? I was thinking of making an imperial guard/mechanicus form of it but i have no idea what it looks like except for the massive cannon on the thing

There you go, the Cyclops. The model, unsurprisingly, had a habit of overbalancing forwards.

it seems they have no concepts of using normal size MBTs.

The original theme for the Squats seemed to emphasize the "rolling fortress" concept. The Squats were described as inhabiting worlds with fortress strongholds sometimes being separated by vast expanses of inhospitable terrain. The land trains were a means of transporting goods between the strongholds and were crewed by a Brotherhood.

Thanks for that :-) i can see what i need to get now :-)