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First off, I am not disputing WYSIWYG! I have found it written on the GW website as qualifications for some 2008 GT, I am just having a hard time finding it in the rules of the game. I have a mental picture of it in one of the aside boxes like 'Wobbly Model Syndrome', but that might be last night's Jameson thinking for me again. Can anybody help?

I think someone mentioned pg 47 in the rulebook. Don't quote me though. I'm trying to use memory skills.

IIRC, it's at the beginning of the section regarding Independent Characters.

Yup, so far as the rulebook is concerned, WYSIWYG is a rule for characters.

Some codexes include a variation on it... From memory, the Eldar codex includes a statement that everything must be represented on the model.


WYSIWYG has never been a hard and fast rule in GW's books, though. The closest most codexes have come is mentioning that all optional items must be modelled.

At its core, WYSIWYG is a gaming convention intended to make the game easier to play, not a rule.

insaniak wrote:

At its core, WYSIWYG is a gaming convention intended to make the game easier to play, not a rule.

When people say WYSIWYG, it is more often an event specific requirement set forth by warhammer world or the old GWGT system.

When they say WYSIWYG, they mean more than just characters. They have very specific definitions for events (which is usually all that we are discussing as pick up games are an agreement between players)

GW defines WYSIWYG: An important principle of our events is "what you see is what you get" or WYSIWYG (pronounced "wizzywig") for short. All this means is unless you are using the 'counts as' rule (see below), then miniatures are assumed to have their equipment actually shown on the model. It would be grossly unfair to show the model being equipped with one thing, but claiming it to be armed with another; wars have been started for less.

GW defines COUNTS AS: The 'Counts As' rule allows you to apply the rules for existing units to older or scratch built models that do not have rules of their own. This is to allow you to make full use of your collection or the army choices within our rule books; it's not an excuse to change your army as a way of fine tuning your force.

Pg 47, found it, thanks!

insaniak wrote:Yup, so far as the rulebook is concerned, WYSIWYG is a rule for characters.

I don't think I agree with that. I was always under the impression (perhaps mistakenly) that the rules found in those aside boxes, for Wobbly Model Syndrome, WYSIWYG, Run!, etc., were rules not particular to the section in which they are printed, but that the authors only decided to address the rule in that section.

GJ, it's not only for characters because it is found on the IC page. It's only for characters because the wording specifies character models.

Happyjew wrote:GJ, it's not only for characters because it is found on the IC page. It's only for characters because the wording specifies character models.

Not really; it says "Character models in particular..."

I'd interpret this as meaning that character models are just one example of models with access to upgrades. To me, the rule is not using characters to the exclusion of all else, rather it is using characters because they tend to have the most access to varied wargear.

Of course, it's clear that the rule can be interpreted otherwise, and I'd be fine with that interpretation. As Insaniak said, though, WYSIWYG is very much a matter of player convention rather than any hard-and-fast rules, so it is always going to come down to whether both players can agree to play the game. It doesn't matter if the rule was black and white one way or another, it's ultimately always up to your opponent.

I have never had a problem with using some stuff as count as so long as its clear and in most cases army wide. changing all of my vets las guns to shot guns is easy for both sides to remember changing the melta gun on man three squad four to a flamer is not. And mostly that rule is for events anyways.


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