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I'm confused, do transports count towards the two troops one HQ limit, are not?
I just had a game with DoW deployment, and the guy said it doesn't.
Can someone please clarify?

Dedicate Transports count for DoW as choices for the limit (The example on page 93 also stated this). IG can field an entire Infantry Platoon as 1 of their troop choices. There has been debate whether or not Chimeras taken for the platoon count as part of the platoon or not.

It states Units, and therefore ANY unit would count towards the limit. THe exception are IG because theyre special, with platoons.

nosferatu1001 wrote:It states Units, and therefore ANY unit would count towards the limit. THe exception are IG because theyre special, with platoons.

Ok, so do transport + infantry = 2 unit then?

I would argue that they do not, RAW. This is my logical test:

1. All troops can hold objectives unless stated otherwise.
2. Empty transports cannot hold objectives by default.
3. Therefore, transports must not be troops.

However, I've always played that that RAI, if the unit begins the game embarked in their dedicated transport, then this counts as troops specifically and only for the purposes of deployment.

azazel the cat wrote:II would argue that they do not, RAW. This is my logical test:

1. All troops can hold objectives unless stated otherwise.
2. Empty transports cannot hold objectives by default.
3. Therefore, transports must not be troops.

However, I've always played that that RAI, if the unit begins the game embarked in their dedicated transport, then this counts as troops specifically and only for the purposes of deployment..

Dedicated Transports do not use a slot in the FOC, however they are a unit type of the unit that purchases them. Therefore, if an Elite choice buys a DT, it's an Elite Unit, etc.
Troop choices that are vehicles can never be a scoring unit. They are still Troop units however. DT have a stipulation that if a scoring unit is embarked, they count as scoring.
DoW says you can deploy two Troop UNITS, if it was 2 Troop CHOICES, then DT's would not count towards the limit.
Finally, as I pointed out, the example given in the BRB, states that DT's count as one of your 2 Troop limit.

azazel the cat wrote:I would argue that they do not, RAW. This is my logical test:

1. All troops can hold objectives unless stated otherwise.
2. Empty transports cannot hold objectives by default.
3. Therefore, transports must not be troops.

However, I've always played that that RAI, if the unit begins the game embarked in their dedicated transport, then this counts as troops specifically and only for the purposes of deployment.

You'd be incorrect.

"...dedicated transport vehicles count as being from the same force organisation category as the unit they were bought for. For example, a Rhino bought for a Space Marine Tactical Squad (Troops) counts as a unit of Troops..." (Rulebook, p87)

It's also worth reading the actual example given in the rulebook for a Dawn of War deployment:

"In his half of the table, player B then deploys a unit of Troops, already embarked into their dedicated transport (which is his second unit of Troops)." (Rulebook, p93)

It's very clear that dedicated transports DO take up one of your Troop unit deployments.

In addition, one of the requirements for being a scoring unit is to be a non-vehicle Troops unit; to say that being a scoring unit is therefore a requirement for being a Troops unit is a logical fallacy. Apples are fruit, but not all fruit are apples, that sort of thing.

As Cheexsta has noted, the rules are actually very clear about this.

The only complicating factor is that the new IG FAQ gives them an exception, allowing an entire Platoon to deploy in place of a single Troops unit.

Cheexsta wrote:

"...dedicated transport vehicles count as being from the same force organisation category as the unit they were bought for. For example, a Rhino bought for a Space Marine Tactical Squad (Troops) counts as a unit of Troops..." (Rulebook, p87)

It's also worth reading the actual example given in the rulebook for a Dawn of War deployment:

"In his half of the table, player B then deploys a unit of Troops, already embarked into their dedicated transport (which is his second unit of Troops)." (Rulebook, p93)

It's very clear that dedicated transports DO take up one of your Troop unit deployments.

In addition, one of the requirements for being a scoring unit is to be a non-vehicle Troops unit; to say that being a scoring unit is therefore a requirement for being a Troops unit is a logical fallacy. Apples are fruit, but not all fruit are apples, that sort of thing.

Ah, thank you! I was wondering where that entry was. Yes, this answers my question.

Well then since the transports are bought as part of the platoon wouldn't they be deployed with it? If that one force is given the exception wouldn't everything you get as part of it.

Dang it White Ninja, I was hoping to keep away from that point. It's been argued before, and hopefully, a MOD will lock this thread before it can start up again.

Check for earlier threads. It went around and around.

For reference, the INAT FAQ ruled that all dedicated transports bought for units in a platoon are indeed part of that platoon.

Happyjew wrote:

azazel the cat wrote:II would argue that they do not, RAW. This is my logical test:

1. All troops can hold objectives unless stated otherwise.
2. Empty transports cannot hold objectives by default.
3. Therefore, transports must not be troops.

However, I've always played that that RAI, if the unit begins the game embarked in their dedicated transport, then this counts as troops specifically and only for the purposes of deployment..

Dedicated Transports do not use a slot in the FOC, however they are a unit type of the unit that purchases them. Therefore, if an Elite choice buys a DT, it's an Elite Unit, etc.
Troop choices that are vehicles can never be a scoring unit. They are still Troop units however. DT have a stipulation that if a scoring unit is embarked, they count as scoring.
DoW says you can deploy two Troop UNITS, if it was 2 Troop CHOICES, then DT's would not count towards the limit.
Finally, as I pointed out, the example given in the BRB, states that DT's count as one of your 2 Troop limit.

Well, that's what I get for playing 40k with an army that never had any dedicated transports when I was learning how to play.

Makes sense to me. Thanks for the clarification.