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This should hopefully be a quick one. In a dawn of war deployment my opponent claimed that an HQ IC and the unit it is attached to, in his case it was a fast attack unit, can be put on the board during deployment. It was my second game of the day and a friendly match against a new opponent so I just said ok despite being unsure.

Later at home, I looked over the rules on dawn of war on page 93, the GW FAQ and the INAT FAQ. Neither FAQ have anything on this. All the rulebook says is "... can deploy up to two units from his Troops selections ans up to one unit from his HQ selections..."

So correct me if I'm wrong, but I think my opponent deploying a fast attack was wrong even though his HQ was with it.

What say you?

Your opponent was wrong. You can only deploy 1 HQ and up to 2 troops at the beginning of the game. Now you can do a troop choice and its dedicated transport though.

If it wasn't a Troops unit, then attached or not to an IC, it cannot start on the table for DoW. Your opponent was a douche.

It specifically says TROOPS and HQ. Not 'maybe a FA unit as well'. If he wants to attach his HQ IC to a FA unit, then it will at the very least be moving onto the table from turn 1 because the FA, Elites and HS cannot start ON THE TABLE.

Thanks for the responses. I should have said something at the time but it has been a while since I've played dawn of war deployment.

Marshall Ragnar wrote:Your opponent was wrong. You can only deploy 1 HQ and up to 2 troops at the beginning of the game. Now you can do a troop choice and its dedicated transport though.

Of course if you do choose a Troops unit and its dedicated transport that is the two Troops units that you are permitted to deploy.

Ghaz wrote:

Marshall Ragnar wrote:Your opponent was wrong. You can only deploy 1 HQ and up to 2 troops at the beginning of the game. Now you can do a troop choice and its dedicated transport though.

Of course if you do choose a Troops unit and its dedicated transport that is the two Troops units that you are permitted to deploy.

Thanks for the input. How do arrive at that conclusion? Dedicated transports don't use up force organization slots so I'm not sure how they would take up space in dawn of war initial deployment.

Edit: Nevermind. I see in the example under the diagram in the dawn of war section that it states that the dedicated transport is the second troops choice.

the real question is: Did the HQ make the fast attack choice count as a troop choice?

haendas wrote:Thanks for the input. How do arrive at that conclusion? Dedicated transports don't use up force organization slots so I'm not sure how they would take up space in dawn of war initial deployment. Edit: Nevermind. I see in the example under the diagram in the dawn of war section that it states that the dedicated transport is the second troops choice.

In Dawn of War you don't deploy by Force Organization chart choices. You deploy by unit. So while a squad and its dedicated transport may only occupy a single slot on the Force Organization chart, they are still two separate units and Dawn of War only allows you to deploy up to two Troops units.

Note that due to the latest FAQ, not all of the above apply to Imperial Guard.

sirlynchmob wrote:the real question is: Did the HQ make the fast attack choice count as a troop choice?

Indeed, this could change it. A Space Marine Captain on a Bike + a unit of 5 or more Space Marine Bikes, for example, would be a legitimate choice because an army including a Captain on a bike allows any unit of 5 or more Space Marine Bikes to be taken as Troops choice.

sirlynchmob wrote:the real question is: Did the HQ make the fast attack choice count as a troop choice?

Or was it Blood Angels? They get assault squads as Troops.

The unit in question was a necron destroyer lord joined to some canoptek wraiths. He also started with two units of immortals on the board so his deployment should not have been allowed as it was. Good thinking for trying to find all possibilities I may have missed with units that count as troops though. Thanks for the input.

I have another question regarding this match and it is completely unrelated to the question about dawn of war, but I hate to start another thread for such a straight forward question. I guess since it is my thread and the question I asked has already been answered it shouldn't be frowned upon if I go off topic now....

Can necron scarab units deepstrike? From what I can tell, they could in the old codex, but not anymore.

haendas wrote:Can necron scarab units deepstrike? From what I can tell, they could in the old codex, but not anymore.

Correct, they cannot.

rigeld2 wrote:

haendas wrote:Can necron scarab units deepstrike? From what I can tell, they could in the old codex, but not anymore.

Correct, they cannot.

Thanks rigeld2. That is what I thought. Now I get the fun task of educating a more experienced player than myself on multiple rules they are breaking.

haendas wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

haendas wrote:Can necron scarab units deepstrike? From what I can tell, they could in the old codex, but not anymore.

Correct, they cannot.

Thanks rigeld2. That is what I thought. Now I get the fun task of educating a more experienced player than myself on multiple rules they are breaking.

Always the easy task
(better not to fail rapid fire rule next turn)

haendas wrote:

Ghaz wrote:

Marshall Ragnar wrote:Your opponent was wrong. You can only deploy 1 HQ and up to 2 troops at the beginning of the game. Now you can do a troop choice and its dedicated transport though.

Of course if you do choose a Troops unit and its dedicated transport that is the two Troops units that you are permitted to deploy.

Thanks for the input. How do arrive at that conclusion? Dedicated transports don't use up force organization slots so I'm not sure how they would take up space in dawn of war initial deployment.

Edit: Nevermind. I see in the example under the diagram in the dawn of war section that it states that the dedicated transport is the second troops choice.

Also, have a look at p87, in the sub-section for Dedicated Transports. It's spelt out there, too