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EDIT: See edit at the bottom of the post before posting yourself.

Since settling on Eldar, and reading the experimental rules for the Hornet prior to the publication of The Doom of Mymeara, i've been at odds with myself over whether to buy a few + Doom of Mymeara (my first FW purchases) or not. Seeing as though they're not allowed in at least one tournament I go to, and seeing as nobody I know uses FW models as their FW selves (I know a few who use Contemptors as regular Dreadnoughts, for example), i've been reluctant, but hearing the official rules for the Hornet... I just can't contain my hunger for one or two of these to spice up my FA.

BUT, before I do anything, I have a few questions:
Will I need any other books apart from IA11 in order to use the Hornet in non-Apocalypse games?
Does anyone know if GW stores have an official stance on units with the Official 40k stamp being used in games taking place there?
Do units with the aforementioned stamp require opponent's permission? I think yes, but because i've never ventured into IA books before, i'm unsure. I know certain units from other books are mentioned as requiring opponent's permission, like the Dreadclaw or what-have-you, but I don't have a clue about anything else.
How complex is the Hornet kit? I've never used resin before (not even F<insert whichever three characters you want to here>cast) and since these things run at £33 a pop, I do NOT want to feth them up. At least other non-FW models you can normally find discounted somewhere.
Is there anything else, anything at all, I might need to know about FW, IA11, or the Hornet, that I haven't listed here?

Cheers.

EDIT: Just checked out Apocalypse Second Edition, and it looks like the Hornet rules are actually in there... am I right? DO I not need the £42 book, just the £26?

ok, dunno exactly what its like in UK but:

you should only need IA11, 5th ed rulebook and the Eldar codex to field it, for apocalypse games you will need the apocalypse rulebook aswell

GW stores are usualy pretty cool with it using FW or even scratch built stuff ( though as long as the later contain at least some GW parts) though Ive never actualy heard what there official stance was.

anything not in your codex needs your opponent's permission, though most people are usualy pretty good with it. however you can pretty much forget about using them at a tournament.

FW kits are pretty easy to put together IMO but YMMV between different kits, my experience only realy extends to the IG tanks I got but as a general rule of thumb have some green stuff handy to make sure that the pieces fit together well and have a dust mask when your sawing off the mould tails cus the dust and shavings are harmfull if inhaled (apparently?).

hope that helps

Avatar 720 wrote:Will I need any other books apart from IA11 in order to use the Hornet in non-Apocalypse games?

Only codex Eldar .

Avatar 720 wrote:Does anyone know if GW stores have an official stance on units with the Official 40k stamp being used in games taking place there?

Same as usual, ask your opponent. Not sure of any that flat out don't allow is, especially since they're starting to sell FW books in GW stores.

Avatar 720 wrote:Do units with the aforementioned stamp require opponent's permission? I think yes, but because i've never ventured into IA books before, i'm unsure. I know certain units from other books are mentioned as requiring opponent's permission, like the Dreadclaw or what-have-you, but I don't have a clue about anything else.

It's best to ask permission, yeah. The FW books say this. They're official, but pulling them out without letting your opponent know in advance is bad form, and some may still refuse to play you since it's not a codex unit.

Avatar 720 wrote:EDIT: Just checked out Apocalypse Second Edition, and it looks like the Hornet rules are actually in there... am I right? DO I not need the £42 book, just the £26?

If you buy Imperial Armour Apocalypse Second Edition, you'll have the same Hornet rules that are in IA 11. So grab either. IA 11 has more fluff in it, IAA Second Edition has basically all of their units rules updated for 5th edition. Pick which one you'd rather go with.

I have finished around 9 separate FW kit by now over the last year...

Now Im getting abit more confident with my knife + file + pinning drill.

Just take my time and take it easy.... and eventually turns out ok.

Edit: you can use apocalypse second edition in stead of IA11, though its not a bad read in any case.


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Oh yeah, if you can get a bunch of mates to chip in their orders together so you can get the free postage.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/R/resintips.pdf
http://www.warpshadow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7323
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?304120-Questions-with-Working-with-Forge-World-Resin

Here's for the resin part, fairly hot tap water (almost but not quite all the way) should be enough to fix wraped pieces.

Go for it.

Hornets are beautiful kits.

If you have any issues, i.e. overly warped pieces / missing bits, then give them a call - calmly explain whats up, theyre very very helpful. Usually send out replacements same day, if needed.

As for needing opponents permission - same as anything else. EVen playing Orks someone can deny you permission to use a warboss, if they want - you cannot force a game on someone who doesnt want it. Best thing, until you get a core that know whats what, is to have two lists - that way you still get a game. Most people, as in everyone i've met, once they get over Fear of the Unknown - itis, is happy to play FW units - theyre cool, look amazing (mostly....) and its something a bit different.

Main thing to remember with resin is to CLEAN it first -old toothbrush and *warm* soapy water is best for this - to remove the mould release frmo it. Otherwise it may fall apatr, paint flake off, etc.

Thanks for the responses everyone, but I don't think i'm going to go through with it.

It seems that I can stir up a gakstorm simply by disagreeing with people on simple rules that are crystal clear to me and the vast majority of other players, but for reasons unknown, are terribly murky to others.

Going by this, and the fact that either people are so damn stubborn, or just don't allow FW units, my chances of getting a game in using anything FW is too remote for me at the moment; spending upwards of £100 on things I likely won't be able to use is too much to ask.

Cheers anyway.

Avatar 720 wrote:Going by this, and the fact that either people are so damn stubborn, or just don't allow FW units, my chances of getting a game in using anything FW is too remote for me at the moment; spending upwards of £100 on things I likely won't be able to use is too much to ask.

It really is a shame that a few bad apples sour peoples perception of the entire Forgeworld range. Forgeworld even tried to make it nice and easy for people with Imperial Armour Apocalypse Second Edition, clearly updating the rules for 5th edition (well as clearly as FW write any rules) and marking units for regular 40k or Apocalypse only. It really does open up the variety floodgates if people are a bit more accepting.

It gets tedius seeing the same old stuff being used for a codices what, 5 year lifecycle? After a year or two, you start feeling very uninspired when you look at the GW shelves for something to add to your army, or in the army list for a new direction to take a list. Simply picking up IAA Second Edition gives you all of the rules for their models for 5th edition (barring outliers that GW put in official books, which FW aren't allowed to touch anymore). It's like buying The Comprehensive GW Codex Complilation, if one existed. You get it all, no need for a different book for each army.

And once you have it, you get inspiration. Sick of Riflemen dreadnoughts... how about a Contemptor with Kheres Assault Cannons? Tyranids are getting a bit stale... hey, how about a Malanthrope? Man, I want a fast moving heavy weapon platform for my Eldar but I don't like the War Walker model... hey, is that a Hornet? I really want a centrepeice large vehicle for my Dark Eldar... woah, check out that Tantalus!

I can see why people dislike it, but FW and GW are trying to get around the issues. FW is making sure to update rules for the newest edition (though doing it at the end of 5th editions life is odd - they should have done it at the start of 6th edition). GW are starting to carry FW books in stores and take FW orders for people that don't have a credit card, or one that works on FW's site. But there's always going to be a stigma around FW models. It just irks me, because I find variety is the best thing about playing the game, and having a FW model opposing me fills me with glee.

Avatar - not sure which part of the country youre in, but if youre around Reading then Spiky club always welcomes FW, similarly the Vanguard guys over in Bristol are all about fun. They run a campaign weekend yearly which positively demands FW stuff being taken (too cool not to) and we're runing SVA, our campaign weekend March 17th this year, which includes FW up to 800 points - enough for a Revenant, never mind a hornet

The models are simply stunning, get them and then get people to play with them - it may take a little while, but the majority of people i know in the hobby love cool models - you just need to get over the fear factor.

Even things that ARE in your codex need your opponent's permission, unless you're keeping them captive and forcing them to play you.
Personally I would only fight against an IA list with proxied DKOK. WS4 blobs with power fists? Yes please

Avatar 720 wrote:EDIT: See edit at the bottom of the post before posting yourself.

How complex is the Hornet kit?

Cheers.

EDIT: Just checked out Apocalypse Second Edition, and it looks like the Hornet rules are actually in there... am I right? DO I not need the £42 book, just the £26?

The hornet kit is one of the easiest kits to put together. I put mine together too long ago to remember the details but the fuselage was one piece and the wings one piece. The pilot one piece, with a few nozzles to attach on the underside and the flight control wing tips. I remember the engine intake grill had to be cleaned out some on one side. I used a pin vice and drill bit. Don't forget to follow the working with resin rules. It came with the Eldar heavy weapon spru in plastic, for weapon load out choices. Nice kit.
I love the look of the hornet, it made me start an Eldar army which I still havn't finished.