Author |
Message |
 |
|
 |
Advert
|
Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
- No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
- Times and dates in your local timezone.
- Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
- Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
- Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now. |
|
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/05 15:46:04
Subject: [1850] Space Wolves: A happy medium?
|
 |
Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
|
I've always been torn between Herohammer wolves (Thunderwolf heavy) and armies that have a large amount of troops and firepower. With that said, I'm trying to strike a happy medium with 5 Troops but still being able to have a baby deathstar unit running around to deal with pesky rock units or units that I don't want assaulting my Grey Hunters. With that said, here is what I've come up with:
H.Q.
Rune Priest
Chooser, Lightning, Hurricane -110
Elites
Wolf Guard 4x
4x Combi-melta/Powerfist -172
Wolf Scouts 5x
Melta -85
Wolf Scouts 5x
Melta -85
Troops
Grey Hunters 7x
Melta, Mark of the Wulfen, Wolf Standard, Rhino -170
Grey Hunters 6x
Melta, Mark of the Wulfen, Wolf Standard, Rhino -155
Grey Hunters 6x
Melta, Mark of the Wulfen, Wolf Standard, Rhino -155
Grey Hunters 5x
Flamer, Las/Plas Razorback -150
Grey Hunters 5x
Flamer, Las/Plas Razorback -150
Fast Attack
Thunderwolves 3x
Power Fist/Storm Shield, Storm Shield, Naked -235
Heavy Support
Long Fangs 5x
4x Missile Launchers, Las/Plas Razorback -190
Long Fangs 5x
4x Missile Launchers, Las/Plas Razorback -190
Total: 1847
|
"United States Marine Corps: When it absolutely and positively has to be destroyed overnight"
"If all else fails, empty the magazine" |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/05 16:47:17
Subject: [1850] Space Wolves: A happy medium?
|
 |
Infiltrating Broodlord
|
Mmmmm I think this will actually work with some minor change. 1) all these units of 6x or 7x GH doesn't shine imho. Or 8x (full optionals) with a Wolf Guard and the Rune Priest or 5x on long range Razorback. Whit this I'm not telling you to go all MSU but my advice is to just choose between the 2 pattern. 2) 1 unit of scouts (alwais with Wolf guard) would be enough imho. I love them and I see why you're taking 2 of them but you'll can find some better use of 85+43 pts. 3) I understand you need of 5 troop choices but I think you'll be good with 4 at 1850 pts. IE: HQ - Rune Priest - LL - Hurricane - Chooser. 110 EL - 5x Scouts - Meltagun. 85 EL - 3x Wolf Guards - all with PF/Combi-melta. 129 TR - 8x GH - Meltagun - Standard - Wulfen - Rhino. 185 (RP obviously go here) TR - 9x GH - Meltagun - Standard - Wulfen - Rhino. 200 TR - 5x Grey Hunters - Flamer. 75 TR - 5x Grey Hunters - Flamer. 75 FA - 3x TWC - PF/SS - SS - naked. 235 FA - 3x TWC - PF/SS - SS - naked. 235 HV - 6x LF - 5x ML - TL Lascannon Razorback. 215 HV - 6x LF - 5x ML - TL Lascannon Razorback. 215 Tot. 1849 Consider to keep, almost alwais, the two 5x GH units in reserves at the beginning of the game. They will eventually steal the LF's Razorbacks during the game once entered on the table. Or, as would be more probably just run on your base objective you just ignored 'til the third/forth turn. As i use them with great satisfaction fyi. You'll may eventually see that Chooser of the Slayn could be eventually dropped from the Rune Priest and than exchange the 2 PF on TWC with two more all-comers and more reliable Thunder Hammers. Same vs vehicles, very better vs MC or Infantry in general.
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/03/05 16:51:50
Every molecule will be useful
6000+ pts NIDS
( ) 2000 pts growing to 4000... |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/05 17:29:37
Subject: [1850] Space Wolves: A happy medium?
|
 |
Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
|
I've played with the 8 and 9 strong Grey Hunter units and they really haven't out shone the 6 and 7 strong (one more MEQ body really doesn't make a difference).
The 2 Wolf Scouts are priceless in my experience. I cannot count the number of times 1 unit has ended up on the wrong side of the table and done me nothing.
As for having 2 units of Cav...I'm toying with the idea so I may drop the 2 5 man Grey Hunter units, go with 3 troops and pick up another unit of Cav.
|
"United States Marine Corps: When it absolutely and positively has to be destroyed overnight"
"If all else fails, empty the magazine" |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/05 17:41:35
Subject: [1850] Space Wolves: A happy medium?
|
 |
Infiltrating Broodlord
|
Quoting my self, when I advices you to take 8x grey hunters + IC and WG or just 5 of them it's just because all the intermediary solutions aren't point wise better than one of the 2 above.
So, if the doubt is between 8 or 5 this could change the whole list depending on respectively transports (rhino vs razorbacks). If the doubt is between 6 or 7 no one of these 2 solutions gives you a good reason to take a Rhino instead a Razorback imho.
As you said 1 power armor more or less doesn't make a noticable difference so why 7? Or even 6? These 30/15 pts could be invested elsewhere.
Again quoting my self, if talking about scouts, they're of course funny and game changing but they're still too subject to random variables.
In friendly or casual games I too use one well tooled team of them but in tournaments or competitive situations I alwais prefer Dreadnoughts instead. That's why I adviced you to take just one team of them, I really believe that there are better uses for 85+43 pts.
Everything, obviously, just imho. As alwais the only good and indisputable advice is to playtest, playtest and playtest again.
As for TWC I will stay with 2 units of them. Eventually growing each team by adding a forth element with just meltabombs (for wounds allocation) but I wouldn't spend more pts on them.
4 troop choices are actually necessary, especially if some of them are little and fragile 5x teams.
|
Every molecule will be useful
6000+ pts NIDS
( ) 2000 pts growing to 4000... |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/16 02:02:51
Subject: Re:[1850] Space Wolves: A happy medium?
|
 |
Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
|
After much playtesting, I've discovered 1 thing this list is lacking...Maneuverable Heavy Weapons.
Long Fangs are either getting stale to me or people are just experts as this point. Against Grey Knights, Space Wolves, I.G. and Blood Angels the Long Fangs were out of position to be effective after turn 2. After that, all the heavy lifting fell to the Razorbacks which were champions.
I'll test it some more and see if I can't find a way to fix it (either through Landspeeders or another pack of Long Fangs).
|
"United States Marine Corps: When it absolutely and positively has to be destroyed overnight"
"If all else fails, empty the magazine" |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/16 05:57:41
Subject: Re:[1850] Space Wolves: A happy medium?
|
 |
Longtime Dakkanaut
|
How about my most recent 1850 list but with some TWC added.
HQ
RP LL JotWW
Troops
4x 8GH, MG, MotW, PW, Banner, Rhino
Elite
5 WG in PA w/ Combimeltas/PF
5 Wolf Scouts w/ MG
Heavy
2x 5 Long Fangs w/ 4ML
Fast
Land Speeder with TML
Land Speeder with TML
3 TWC SS/PF, SS, MB
|
Las Vegas Open Head Judge
I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings or pride, but your credentials matter. Even on the internet.
"If you do not have the knowledge, you do not have the right to the opinion." -Plato
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/16 12:10:54
Subject: [1850] Space Wolves: A happy medium?
|
 |
Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
|
I have a similar list for 1850. I have two tl lazcannon razorbacks on the long fangs. That way I can get 9-14 inches of movement out of the fangs in the first turn and still try to pop some armour with the tank. It also saves my ass during dawn of war.
IF you move those trasports to the long fangs will you really need the second 5 man squad? I know what they are for but I always dislike those small squads when I am stuck and need them to do something useful. And while having 3 8 man squads of GH in rhinos won't hit that much harder in cc they are good for wound allocation and taking bullets a head of the MOTW or meltagun.
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/03/16 12:17:22
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/16 12:18:15
Subject: [1850] Space Wolves: A happy medium?
|
 |
Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
|
@Overwatch
That's something I'm entertaining, I'll give it a shot tomorrow.
|
"United States Marine Corps: When it absolutely and positively has to be destroyed overnight"
"If all else fails, empty the magazine" |
|
 |
 |
|