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I just got back into the hobby not too long ago. My intention for this list was to have a solid army to practice learning the game, but is somewhat restricted by the models that I have available to me

Heroes

Master on Cold One
Lance, heavy armor, SDC
army BSB with hydra banner
212 pts

Sorc level 2
dispel scroll (or darkstar cloak)
160 pts

total: 372

Core

30 cosairs
musician, BSB with SSS
340 pts

20 rxb (sorc most likely in this unit)
shields, musician
225pts

24 warriors
shields, musician, BSB with murder
202 pts

total: 767

Special

CO Chariot
100 pts

5 CoK (master joins this unit)
135 pts

7 shades
light armor, additional hand weapons
126 pts

total: 361
GRAND TOTAL 1500

Have some BG and ex but chose not to field them as might just be a point sink at this point value or with only one sorc. On the hunt for a CoB if anyone happens to have one...

As I stated earlier I am hoping this army list has a nice variety units for me to practice game mechanics, but it would be nice to also have a competitive list at the same time. The people at my FLGS usually play ~2500 so this is also intended to be a starting point to build upon. All suggestions are encouraged...thanks for reading!

Too much in core. Also, for just 13 more points you can drop the bsb and take a BSB cauldron which is way more useful.

I'd say drop the warriors and take a hydra and a few more shades, and give the COK's a musician.

If you are playing with what you own, it's a fine list.

My core is somewhat of a dilemma. I initially chose to take those blocks to practice the the strategic elements of the game (maneuvering, flanking, practicing movement in general) but I also thought it might have been too much. I thought about cutting the cosairs down to 20-24.

Unfortunately I don't have a CoB. I want to playtest the hydra banner master with the Cok. On paper it seems like a nice fast hammer with 2+ save. Any experience with this or a unit of 10 CoK? Debating whether I want 2 5 man units or 1 10 man later.

Well keep in mind that anything on a Cold One is Stupid, and even at Ld9 has a chance to screw you over, which is why I don't run characters with COK's. 30 Corsairs is fine, but you don't really need them AND the spearmen. If you want a more aggressive stance, take the corsairs and RXB's(which are the most durable DE infantry in the army).

I feel you on the Cauldron, I need to order one soon here for my wife(who plays the DE's, I just design them, sadly often making them too hard for my HE's to beat lol).

Would you recommend adding a unit of BG/ex or maybe 2 RBT? I have read that RBT's usefulness and durability leaves a bit to be desired.

Trying to hold out on buying a hydra...at least for this month

BG are excellent. I always take 20 of them if I can afford to. WS5, S4, I6 and 2A each, Ld9, Stubborn, then take Banner of Murder for Armor piercing. The only drawback is their armor, but the ward from a cauldron helps offset that.

Bolt throwers for all elves are a waste of points. They just don't do 100 points worth of damage in a game 90% of the time. You would be better off spending the points on harpies or more shades(you can never have too many shades).

Executioners are not that great compared to BG. only 1 attack, strike last, same armor, Ld8, not stubborn, only upside is S6. Just not worth taking over BG.

Black Guard work well as either as a medium block of infantry (just be aware they are going to be wrecked after thier first engagement) or as a small, expendable screening unit. 7 with a musician are cheap and yet can still wreak havoc on most other infantry blocks. You also present the opponent with a hard choice - shoot at the screen, and let the block behind approach unmolested, or ignore the screen to shoot at the block at -2... and risk not only not damaging the block, but also letting the screen do 14 S4 attacks to HIS block.

Witches can be used the same way, 7 will drop 21 S3 Poison attacks on most combat blocks, or run 30 in a horde with the Banner of Muder.


If you have a spare chariot laying around, you can convert a caudron with a couple of Witches and an appropriate-size measuring spoon...